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Why do Remainers think being in the EU is a "good thing"
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostI rarely comment on Brexit discussions these days, but stuff like this does irritate me somewhat.
Until both sides acknowledge that the other's arguments have some validity, there will be no solution to this mess.
There are arguments for both leaving and staying in the EU - there isn't a 'right' answer.
However, in practice, the government couldn't have done a worse job of implementing "leave".
Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU"."A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George OrwellComment
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Originally posted by Paddy View PostCan you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.
Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU".
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How much does Britain really pay into the EU budget? | The UK and Europe | Debates | E!Sharp
Similarly, the often heard claim that the UK sends ‘£350 million per week to the EU’ is based on the same incorrect measure of budget contributions. The amount that the Treasury remits to Brussels, and thus the direct cost to UK taxpayers, always has the rebate deducted before payment is made. Because of this, the correct figure, taking account of the rebate, should be around £280 million per week (based on 2014 data).
3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references). We do this for non-EU people it is only fair we apply the same rules to everybody.Comment
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Originally posted by Paddy View PostCan you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.
Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....Comment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostI can give you one valid reason people voted leave. People hated David Cameron/inequality in the UK and are sick of it.
Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....Comment
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostLet's put aside the totally simplistic interpretation of 'democracy'. Let's ask the question "Is it more democratic to follow the will of the people three years ago rather than the will of the people today?"
Brexiteers just keep grimly hanging on to a perverted moment in time. It's long gone and we've moved on.
Maybe we should have another GE with just 2 choices a leave party and a remain party.
Winner takes all..
It's like a second referendum with a different name.
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Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references).Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThat's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThat's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThat's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.
Who is going to stay in the Thistle hotel?Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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