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Why do Remainers think being in the EU is a "good thing"

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    #21
    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    You can have one, and we promise to ignore the result. spend three years doing nothing else except trying to implement the result without f***ing up the country, while a small cabal of influencers subvert the mandate for a utopia promised in the campaign into a “mandate” for the hardest possible result (because that one makes them a shedload of money and power, not because it’s the best result for the country)
    FTFY.

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      #22
      Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
      I rarely comment on Brexit discussions these days, but stuff like this does irritate me somewhat.

      Until both sides acknowledge that the other's arguments have some validity, there will be no solution to this mess.

      There are arguments for both leaving and staying in the EU - there isn't a 'right' answer.

      However, in practice, the government couldn't have done a worse job of implementing "leave".
      Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.

      Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU".
      "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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        #23
        Originally posted by Paddy View Post
        Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.

        Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU".
        1. Highest court will be UK court of law, not EU court of law. A country that doesn't decide it's own laws is basically a vassal state.
        2.

        How much does Britain really pay into the EU budget? | The UK and Europe | Debates | E!Sharp

        Similarly, the often heard claim that the UK sends ‘£350 million per week to the EU’ is based on the same incorrect measure of budget contributions. The amount that the Treasury remits to Brussels, and thus the direct cost to UK taxpayers, always has the rebate deducted before payment is made. Because of this, the correct figure, taking account of the rebate, should be around £280 million per week (based on 2014 data).
        £280mln per week (after rebates) is a colossal waste of money.

        3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references). We do this for non-EU people it is only fair we apply the same rules to everybody.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Paddy View Post
          Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.
          I can give you one valid reason people voted leave. People hated David Cameron/inequality in the UK and are sick of it.

          Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....

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            #25
            Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
            I can give you one valid reason people voted leave. People hated David Cameron/inequality in the UK and are sick of it.

            Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....
            There was definitely an element of people wanting to shake up the status quo, force big political changes and hope for a more equal society...

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              #26
              Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
              Let's put aside the totally simplistic interpretation of 'democracy'. Let's ask the question "Is it more democratic to follow the will of the people three years ago rather than the will of the people today?"


              Brexiteers just keep grimly hanging on to a perverted moment in time. It's long gone and we've moved on.
              I mean the same could be said of any decision.

              Maybe we should have another GE with just 2 choices a leave party and a remain party.

              Winner takes all..

              It's like a second referendum with a different name.

              [emoji849]

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                #27
                Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references).
                That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                  That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.
                  Well it brought us Scooty, so you may have a point...
                  His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                    That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.
                    who's 'we' basel? eh?
                    Entropy is NOT what it used to be.
                    Inertia, however........................

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                      That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.

                      Who is going to stay in the Thistle hotel?
                      "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                      I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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