The big day is here

[NotAllThere]

...d what would the Labour party and Libels for that matter..

Nice typo.

[BlasterBates]

Sensible only for the UK due to UK government intransigence, there is little more that the EU can get out of the process so why drag it out?

The biggest blocker in May's Deal is the backstop. It only requires one Member State to veto any request for an extension (it needs to be unanimous). Why do you think Ireland would agree to any extension of A50 without explicit confirmation from the EU negotiators that the backstop remains?

And if there is no movement on the backstop, then why bother extending?

A UK GE is not the EU's problem.

The EU commission are already drawing up contingency plans for a delay.

[meridian]

The EU commission are already drawing up contingency plans for a delay.

Of course. Because they are far more transparent and prepared than the UK is.

The EU have been consistent in saying that they will not reopen negotiations. It follows that the only reason they will consider an extension to A50 is if thee is substantial movement on the UK side. Movement to No Deal means no extension is necessary, therefore the reason they will consider an extension will be if "No Brexit" is on the table.

Just having a GE is not enough if both Labour and the Tories are still chasing the same unicorns.

[OwlHoot]

That's odd, I don't recall Gina Miller voting on or implementing an Act of Parliament. Are you sure you understand British Parliamentary procedures?

Sigh! How quickly we forget.

From the Wikipedia article, Gina Miller, yes the meddlesome bint has her very own Wikipedia page:

Gina Nadira Miller (née Singh; 19 April 1965) is a Guyanese and British business owner and activist who initiated the 2016 R (Miller) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union court case against the British government over its authority to implement Brexit without approval from Parliament.

Remember now?

[meridian]

They might indeed, but don't forget Article 50 is set in stone by an Act of Parliament (courtesy of that busibody Gina Miller you'll recall)

So the deadline can be amended or postponed only by another Act of Parliament, which will be tricky while Parliament is not there

Sigh! How quickly we forget.

From the Wikipedia article, Gina Miller, yes the meddlesome bint has her very own Wikipedia page:



Remember now?

Gina Miller's case did not set anything in stone in any Act of Parliament. It merely ruled that Parliament had to legislate before the Government could invoke A50.

Busibody, meddlesome, yawn. Sounds like you don't like democratic decisions being taken by your own Parliament.

[BlasterBates]

Of course. Because they are far more transparent and prepared than the UK is.

The EU have been consistent in saying that they will not reopen negotiations. It follows that the only reason they will consider an extension to A50 is if thee is substantial movement on the UK side. Movement to No Deal means no extension is necessary, therefore the reason they will consider an extension will be if "No Brexit" is on the table.

Just having a GE is not enough if both Labour and the Tories are still chasing the same unicorns.

Even if May's deal is passed today the UK will probably need an extension. The EU commission are prepared for that.

If May's deal is not passed and an amendment of some sort binds the UK government to a customs union, which is not incompatible with the current deal, the EU is unlikely to refuse a delay for the government to get the legislation through.

If the UK government collapses and there is a GE I doubt the EU would simply reject the extension under those circumstances either.

I disagree that Labour is chasing "Unicorns" but they won't let May simply get her deal through.

[meridian]

Even if May's deal is passed today the UK will probably need an extension. The EU commission are prepared for that.

If May's deal is not passed and an amendment of some sort binds the UK government to a customs union, which is not incompatible with the current deal, the EU is unlikely to refuse a delay for the government to get the legislation through.

I agree here. A an extension for the express purpose of implementing the required legislation is likely to be granted.

If the UK government collapses and there is a GE I doubt the EU would simply reject the extension under those circumstances either.

I disagree here. If there is a potential change in government to either party that has a manifesto to pursue the same unicorns, there is no point to an extension.

[BlasterBates]

I agree here. A an extension for the express purpose of implementing the required legislation is likely to be granted.




I disagree here. If there is a potential change in government to either party that has a manifesto to pursue the same unicorns, there is no point to an extension.

The EU have indicated that in the event of a GE they would accept an extension to article 50.

Jeremy Corbyn says UK may have to extend Article 50 and delay Brexit - Business Insider

The EU has indicated that it would be willing to grant a technical extension of a few months in order to facilitate an election or a fresh referendum.

[OwlHoot]

Gina Miller's case did not set anything in stone in any Act of Parliament. It merely ruled that Parliament had to legislate before the Government could invoke A50.

What _are_ you quibbling about? That's exactly what I implied originally. I wasn't suggesting this Gina Miller personally drafted and approved the Article 50 act. (God, and they say Brexiters are stupid!)

Without the legal challenge, the Government would have been free to invoke Article 50 by an order in council or similar, which is what they wanted, and thus be able to change or revoke it now at the drop of a hat in the same way.

But, in view of the legal challenge, well see my above post relating to Acts of Parliament.

[d000hg]

Sensible only for the UK due to UK government intransigence, there is little more that the EU can get out of the process so why drag it out?

Because there is a non-trivial likelihood we night get a 2nd referendum for one thing.