Will of the People - End free movement

[meridian]

Oh right - so the spanish are going to turn people away with money to boost their economy then are they?

jeez you are a fu<kwit

You still just don’t get it. The Spanish government are not turning anyone away. The U.K. is leaving the EU and removing the freedom of movement from U.K. citizens.

You seem very angry today. You okay, hun?

[meridian]

They have the right to remain in that chosen country after Brexit, just not moving between the other 26 EU members.....or did you miss that bit?

Unless you can come up with some figures for expat Brits, who retire in 1+ EU member states.....you have no point.

Do they? Show me. “Right” is the word that you’ve chosen to use.

The proposed agreement on the future relationship doesn’t guarantee any such “right”. It clearly mentions that removing FoM is the UK’s decision, and that the principle of “reciprocity” will apply, which means that the EU will match whatever the U.K. does.

For working people, that means applying to live in another state. “Applying” means that it can be turned down. There is no “right”.

Now, for your homework, tell us all what the U.K. policy currently is on retirees of independent means from non-EU countries who want to live in the U.K., because that’s as close as we currently know to what may happen to British retirees in the EU. Reciprocity.

(And I deliberately wrote “may” in the paragraph above because we don’t yet know for certain. What we do know, though, is that there will be no “right” without reciprocating)

[minestrone]

2 pages ago British residents in Spain were obese fag smoking racists, now they seem to be a minority that requires protected status.

[sasguru]

I don't carry a psychological baggage around like you do, the endless need to affirm self by labelling everyone as less. The constant othering.

But then I appreciate that your upbringing was challenging, what with your father being made bankrupt, losing the family home, having to leave school, the shame.

Thanks for playing. You lose.

[minestrone]

Thanks for playing. You lose.

Is that what HRMC said to your dad?

[sasguru]

Is that what HRMC said to your dad?

No it's what your missus says when you can't get it up.

[Bean]

Do they? Show me. “Right” is the word that you’ve chosen to use.

The proposed agreement on the future relationship doesn’t guarantee any such “right”. It clearly mentions that removing FoM is the UK’s decision, and that the principle of “reciprocity” will apply, which means that the EU will match whatever the U.K. does.

For working people, that means applying to live in another state. “Applying” means that it can be turned down. There is no “right”.

Now, for your homework, tell us all what the U.K. policy currently is on retirees of independent means from non-EU countries who want to live in the U.K., because that’s as close as we currently know to what may happen to British retirees in the EU. Reciprocity.

(And I deliberately wrote “may” in the paragraph above because we don’t yet know for certain. What we do know, though, is that there will be no “right” without reciprocating)

You original point was about pensioners....do they work, normally? <-WTFH changing goalposts alert, you missed it

Patronising tw@

what did the UK gov say about EU citizens?.....(notice the usage of the word 'right' in the document front page)

https://assets.publishing.service.go...B_260617_2.pdf

so pensioners won't be chucked out, if the EU reciprocates what the UK have said for EU citizens.....you have no point, as I said earlier

[Bean]

No it's what your missus says when you can't get it up.

He could buy Viagra, but you can't make/buy a time-machine.

HTH BIDI

[sasguru]

2 pages ago British residents in Spain were obese fag smoking racists, now they seem to be a minority that requires protected status.

I think its unfair of you to call them racists without evidence.

[meridian]

You original point was about pensioners....do they work, normally? <-WTFH changing goalposts alert, you missed it

Patronising tw@

what did the UK gov say about EU citizens?.....(notice the usage of the word 'right' in the document front page)

https://assets.publishing.service.go...B_260617_2.pdf

so pensioners won't be chucked out, if the EU reciprocates what the UK have said for EU citizens.....you have no point, as I said earlier

Yes, pensioners. You said that they would have a right to remain, which they do not have.

The link you provide is to a policy paper (not a law) from 2017. Much has moved on from then. EU citizens in the U.K. need to apply for Settled Status (“apply”, not register; the Home Office can and is refusing some applicants, there is no “right” to remain).

Settled and pre-settled status for EU citizens and their families - GOV.UK

For pensioners we simply do not know at the moment. What we can say, though is:
- the U.K. has stated many times that they do not want to provide additional rights to EU citizens than non-EU citizens (“jumping the queue”)
- there is no visa for new retirees from outside the EU to be blue to come to the U.K. This simply does not exist anymore
- existing retirees may be able to apply for permanent residence (again, apply, not a right)