Gammons outraged over last night of the proms betrayal

[Bean]

In some ways yes - the four freedoms, the assistance of those in need (e.g. Cornwall, Wales, farmers, etc), the attempts to allow different people/nations to work together rather than against each other, yes those are socialist activities.
If the main actions of the EU were to encourage big businesses and aristocrats to pay little to no tax while penalising everyone else, or stirring up fear as a way to subjugate, then I'd say no.

Like if they were ensuring austerity for the plebs, whilst the likes of Apple, Amazon, etc employ the Dutch sandwich, or the Double Irish solution?
Quite.

[DaveB]

Like if they were ensuring austerity for the plebs, whilst the likes of Apple, Amazon, etc employ the Dutch sandwich, or the Double Irish solution?
Quite.

None of which falls within the EU's remit. Taxation is the domain of individual countries. If they cannot ensure that businesses pay the right tax it's not the EU's fault.

The EU does not have a direct role in raising taxes or setting tax rates. The amount of tax you pay is decided by your government, not the EU.

https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/taxation_en

[Bean]

None of which falls within the EU's remit. Taxation is the domain of individual countries. If they cannot ensure that businesses pay the right tax it's not the EU's fault.



https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/taxation_en

So, to be clear - the EU will be doing NOTHING about this issue at all then, as it's not within the EU remit?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu...GP13A?src=ilaw
"Under the rules, proposed by the European Commission"
"Once the new rules are finalised and approved by the European Parliament"

Would ya look at that - they're legislating outside of their remit!!!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN0V612R
"“Billions of euros are lost every year to tax avoidance. This is unacceptable and we are acting to tackle it,” the EU tax commissioner Pierre Moscovici said in a statement calling “for fair and effective taxation for all Europeans.” "

Would ya look at that - they've even got a commissioner for a subject outside of their remit!!!!

[Zigenare]

So, to be clear - the EU will be doing NOTHING about this issue at all then, as it's not within the EU remit?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu...GP13A?src=ilaw
"Under the rules, proposed by the European Commission"
"Once the new rules are finalised and approved by the European Parliament"

Would ya look at that - they're legislating outside of their remit!!!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN0V612R
"“Billions of euros are lost every year to tax avoidance. This is unacceptable and we are acting to tackle it,” the EU tax commissioner Pierre Moscovici said in a statement calling “for fair and effective taxation for all Europeans.” "

Would ya look at that - they've even got a commissioner for a subject outside of their remit!!!!

Thank ***** we're getting the hell out of tulipsville!

[WTFH]

Thank ***** we're getting the hell out of tulipsville!

You mean that because the EU are wanting to do something about clamping down on tax avoidance, we need to leave?

[Bean]

You mean that because the EU are wanting to do something about clamping down on tax avoidance, we need to leave?

Is it in their remit though?

[meridian]

So, to be clear - the EU will be doing NOTHING about this issue at all then, as it's not within the EU remit?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu...GP13A?src=ilaw
"Under the rules, proposed by the European Commission"
"Once the new rules are finalised and approved by the European Parliament"

Would ya look at that - they're legislating outside of their remit!!!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN0V612R
"“Billions of euros are lost every year to tax avoidance. This is unacceptable and we are acting to tackle it,” the EU tax commissioner Pierre Moscovici said in a statement calling “for fair and effective taxation for all Europeans.” "

Would ya look at that - they've even got a commissioner for a subject outside of their remit!!!!

Is it in their remit though?

Do you read the links you post, or only hope that they back up your argument?

Link 1:

European Union finance ministers agreed new measures on Tuesday to force accountants and banks to report aggressive tax schemes that help companies shift profits to low-tax countries.

So firstly, the rules may have been proposed by the Commission, but they were agreed by member state Finance Ministers.
Secondly, they are rules on reporting, not laws setting out how much tax you have to pay.

Link 2:

Among the Commission’s proposals - which would have to be approved by all European Union member states - is one to allow EU countries to tax profits generated in their territories even if transferred somewhere else, providing the effective tax rate in the country where the profits are transferred is less than 40 percent of that of the original country.

Again, although proposed by the Commission, they would need to be approved by all member states.
This one is slightly different to a simple reporting regulation, it provides a framework for the member states to implement into their own tax laws - similar to a Double Tax Agreement, it's providing a framework for a level playing field across member states. And the reason it is needed is for the very reason that member states are free to set their own tax laws.

Is it in their remit? It's in the Commission's remit to propose frameworks and governance rules, but for most taxes it is up to the member states to agree those frameworks and rules and to set their rates and individual laws within those frameworks.

Why is there an EU tax commissioner then? To ensure there is a supranational view of the frameworks and to identify those very issues (Apple, Google, Amazon, etc) that you pointed out.

Like if they were ensuring austerity for the plebs...

In terms of austerity there's very much a two-tier side to it - Greece and the UK on one side, everyone else on the other.... This is an issue caused by the government(s) of the UK, not the EU. A very valid issue and in my opinion one of the main drivers behind Brexit, but not (also in my opinion) caused or able to be fixed by the EU.

[NotAllThere]

...the attempts to allow different people/nations to work together rather than against each other...

People with radically different morals and values living close together is a good thing

You are aware that "living close together" and "work together" are quite different concepts? No? Thought not. but then, you are an ignorant bigot spouting the politics of apartheid... tell me,do you have a tendency to get red in face when agitated?

[AtW]

Is it in their remit though?

Collecting tax is the first duty of a viavle State (it can be called Union or United States/Kingdom)

[Bean]

Do you read the links you post, or only hope that they back up your argument?

Link 1:


So firstly, the rules may have been proposed by the Commission, but they were agreed by member state Finance Ministers.
Secondly, they are rules on reporting, not laws setting out how much tax you have to pay.

Link 2:


Again, although proposed by the Commission, they would need to be approved by all member states.
This one is slightly different to a simple reporting regulation, it provides a framework for the member states to implement into their own tax laws - similar to a Double Tax Agreement, it's providing a framework for a level playing field across member states. And the reason it is needed is for the very reason that member states are free to set their own tax laws.

Is it in their remit? It's in the Commission's remit to propose frameworks and governance rules, but for most taxes it is up to the member states to agree those frameworks and rules and to set their rates and individual laws within those frameworks.

Why is there an EU tax commissioner then? To ensure there is a supranational view of the frameworks and to identify those very issues (Apple, Google, Amazon, etc) that you pointed out.


In terms of austerity there's very much a two-tier side to it - Greece and the UK on one side, everyone else on the other.... This is an issue caused by the government(s) of the UK, not the EU. A very valid issue and in my opinion one of the main drivers behind Brexit, but not (also in my opinion) caused or able to be fixed by the EU.

DaveB stated "Taxation is the domain of individual countries"

The EU proposing rules on reporting, seems to impinge on that remit of the individual country.
(Plus JcJ proposing QMV on foreign policy & taxation policy today )

Hence the questions...

You're saying taxation is sort of within the remit of the EU and I would agree with that, however as a result, that means the EU has been very slow to address this huge issue, which increases inequality for the citizens whilst ensuring big businesses profit - a point I was responding to WTFH about...