Customs Union Amendment

[BlasterBates]

Interesting amendment being voted on later today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nion-amendment

Sounds fair enough, let May negotiate the hard Brexit decided on yesterday and if the EU turns it down just join the Customs Union as a backstop. That way the Hard Bexiteers get to have a go at getting their plan through first, that would of course be good because the UK would get their "cake".

[Yorkie62]

Interesting amendment being voted on later today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nion-amendment

Sounds fair enough, let May negotiate the hard Brexit decided on yesterday and if the EU turns it down just join the Customs Union as a backstop. That way the Hard Bexiteers get to have a go at getting their plan through first, that would of course be good because the UK would get their "cake".

So you would appear to be in favour of handing the EU the power to defeat Brexit. After all all the EU has to do in with this amendment in place is to refuse to, or pretend to, or drag out the negotiations, and hey presto we have no agreement and therefore we must remain in the customs union. How can this possibly be a negotiation position acceptable to anyone but those who want Britain to remain in the EU.

Labour are just backing the amendment in the hope that it brings down the government and forces a general election. Brexit is being used as a political football with no goalkeeper and nobody with any ideas how to put the ball in the net.

[WTFH]

Brexit is being used as a political (game of) football with no goalkeeper and nobody with any ideas how to put the ball in the net.

I disagree with your point about it giving all the power to the EU.
In the same way that the ludicrous JRM had a solution the other week for the Irish border, which was "If we don't get the EU to agree with us, the UK will not put up a border in Northern Ireland"

If the UK negotiators are unable to negotiate a solution to a problem, then how will the problem be resolved?
All the armchair brexiters/retirees don't care - they'll happily wait forever for something to happen, meanwhile businesses are left with uncertainty.

[meridian]

Customs Union Amendment

So you would appear to be in favour of handing the EU the power to defeat Brexit. After all all the EU has to do in with this amendment in place is to refuse to, or pretend to, or drag out the negotiations, and hey presto we have no agreement and therefore we must remain in the customs union. How can this possibly be a negotiation position acceptable to anyone but those who want Britain to remain in the EU.

So many things wrong here.
- it is not in the EU’s power to “defeat Brexit”. Brexit is either workable for the U.K. or it is not, and for it to be workable it must be workable without reliance on any third parties (including the EU). If Brexit is defeated then that is because Brexit without a plan was a stupid idea in the first place.
- remaining in the Customs Union still fulfils the vote. It is leaving the EU. Within the Leave side there are many different ideas about what Leave means, from Norway to CETA to “No Deal”, but all of them are still Brexit.
- this is not a negotiation. The U.K. is leaving according to the Withdrawal Agreement and A50. Any future relationship will be whatever the EU offers us, which at the moment is Norway, Canada, or nothing. Take it or leave it.

Labour are just backing the amendment in the hope that it brings down the government and forces a general election.

Yes, that’s what Opposition parties do. Welcome to Politics 101.

Brexit is being used as a political football with no goalkeeper and nobody with any ideas how to put the ball in the net.

Yep, yet 17 million people voted for it. Perhaps there should have been a plan before the referendum, or a plan between the result and A50. Or perhaps there is a genuine inability to reconcile “gaining control” over “ruining the economy”.

There are plenty of ideas on how to put the ball into the net. All of them have considerable downsides. Funny that. If only we were told that before the referendum....

[Yorkie62]

..., meanwhile businesses are left with uncertainty.

The only uncertainty is being generated by our own politicians. If we were to walk away from any negotiations and go for a hard Brexit, WTO rules etc. then everyone understands what that means and can plan accordingly. All this in, out, in, out, shake it all about with neither of the major parties in the UK political system not really knowing what they stand for - but it must be the opposite of what the other stand for today, is it any wonder business has no idea how to plan for Brexit.

Our problem with our EU membership is that we are not really, and never have been a full member of the club. The UK's approach has always been to try to be a member from the doorway of the club. We need to be in, which means adopting the Euro etc, or we need to get out. At the end of the day, there maybe a little turbulence but everything will settle down. the world will not stop turning. The rich will continue to be rich, the poor will continue to be poor, Trump will continue to be Trump, Kim will continue to be Kim, and Putin will continue to rebuild the USSR.

[sal]

No one gives a flying F what the voters want. Tories try to cling to power, Labour tries to "trip" them and regain power. Neither cares about the cost of it all to the country and it's population. Professional politicians at their best.

Freaking disgusting.

[Yorkie62]

No one gives a flying F what the voters want. Tories try to cling to power, Labour tries to "trip" them and regain power. Neither cares about the cost of it all to the country and it's population. Professional politicians at their best.

Freaking disgusting.

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Which is why we should have a hard Brexit, just walk out the door, don't turn around now, because we're not welcome anymore. We should change the stupid locks (to the channel tunnel)...

[Whorty]

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Which is why we should have a hard Brexit, just walk out the door, don't turn around now, because we're not welcome anymore. We should change the stupid locks (to the channel tunnel)...

i do love to read the posts of the frothing mouth quitters. After all this time, they still have no idea what WTO will do to our economy, they just blindly listen to the spoutings of idiots like JRM, or the rantings of the Daily Fail. Real popcorn moments

[Old Greg]

So you would appear to be in favour of handing the EU the power to defeat Brexit. After all all the EU has to do in with this amendment in place is to refuse to, or pretend to, or drag out the negotiations, and hey presto we have no agreement and therefore we must remain in the customs union. How can this possibly be a negotiation position acceptable to anyone but those who want Britain to remain in the EU.

Labour are just backing the amendment in the hope that it brings down the government and forces a general election. Brexit is being used as a political football with no goalkeeper and nobody with any ideas how to put the ball in the net.

So you would appear to be in favour of handing the ERG the power to ruin Britain.

[Yorkie62]

i do love to read the posts of the frothing mouth quitters. After all this time, they still have no idea what WTO will do to our economy, they just blindly listen to the spoutings of idiots like JRM, or the rantings of the Daily Fail. Real popcorn moments

The truth is nobody knows what will happen after what ever Brexit we have, unless you have some sort of device for seeing into the future. The Remainers have told use that given a hard Brexit all Aeroplanes in the UK would be grounded and unable to fly. George Osborne told us during the referendum campaign that if we voted for Brexit the UK would immediately be throw into economic chaos. It hasn't happened and I very much doubt it will whatever Brexit we end up with. Brexit is bringing change. people fear change, but change can bring opportunities. I agree things will not be the same, but will they be any worse than we have now. Who knows, No one has any idea. No one can answer that question with any guarantees on what will be.

The world economy will continue what ever happens to Brexit and the status quo will resume (albeit without Rick Parfitt). The rich will continue to get rich. Maybe just maybe it could be good for the UK. Maybe just maybe we will have to be that little less relient on the banking industry and all this is wrong with it. Maybe just maybe this country can get back into doing what it has always being good at. leading the world in innovation, engineering and making stuff. But this will only happen if people stop being negative about what is about to happen and embrace the change. Manage your inner chimp who fears change and embrace the logical thinking human within who can see opportunities.