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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostCorrect. It is known that reality hasn't yet dawned for the cretins.I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter manComment
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Originally posted by BR14 View PostWhich brand?I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter manComment
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Originally posted by unixman View Post"All of us" who lost the referendum ?
That attitude will go down great with the welders in Sunderland. Can I bring pop corn ?
The trouble is, this is always going to translate to: "I want to re-run the referendum because my side lost, dammit". It sounds like it to me, here in Milton Keynes. It will sound even more like it the Birtley CIU club.
A democratic vote is nothing like buying a house. For confirmation, see any UK vote in the last 100 years. You will find no precedent for anything you are advocating. Parallels will be found however, in the electoral histories of Zimbabwe, Iran, where they have form for "cancelling a vote for the good of the people"...Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostYou will though find examples of referendums being rerun where the public were not informed enough the first time around.Comment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostWhere are all these Leave voters that now claim to have been misinformed?“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostWhere are all these Leave voters that now claim to have been misinformed?
But as you’ve said “misinformed”, how about £350m on the side of a bus, or Turkey joining the EU, or ‘easiest trade deal in history’, or access to the SM ‘on the same basis that we currently have’, or ‘frictionless trade’, or ‘tariffs on products from poor countries in Africa’, or ‘go whistle’, or ‘the day after the vote the EU will be begging for a trade deal’, or ‘nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’, or ‘we’ll be forced to join an EU army’, or ‘there will be no problem with the Irish border’, or ‘we can’t control our borders in the EU’, or ‘we will replace EU funding of poor regions with funding from central government’, or ‘outside of the EU we will prioritise visas for Bangladeshi cooks’, etc etc....
The Leave campaign played a blinder, they were able to promise all things to all people and refused to offer any plan to reconcile that. Now that reality has hit and we know the impact, if everyone is still keen to leave regardless then at least the people will be better informed on the consequences.Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostNo idea, you’re the one that has said “misinformed”, I said “not informed enough”.
But as you’ve said “misinformed”, how about £350m on the side of a bus, or Turkey joining the EU, or ‘easiest trade deal in history’, or access to the SM ‘on the same basis that we currently have’, or ‘frictionless trade’, or ‘tariffs on products from poor countries in Africa’, or ‘go whistle’, or ‘the day after the vote the EU will be begging for a trade deal’, or ‘nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’, or ‘we’ll be forced to join an EU army’, or ‘there will be no problem with the Irish border’, or ‘we can’t control our borders in the EU’, or ‘we will replace EU funding of poor regions with funding from central government’, or ‘outside of the EU we will prioritise visas for Bangladeshi cooks’, etc etc....
The Leave campaign played a blinder, they were able to promise all things to all people and refused to offer any plan to reconcile that. Now that reality has hit and we know the impact, if everyone is still keen to leave regardless then at least the people will be better informed on the consequences.Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostNo, all of us, including Leavers and Remainers, who keep up with the news.
Originally posted by meridian View PostCourse you can, poppet. You can bring your husband, too, if the thought of having a conversation with welders is making you a bit weak.
Originally posted by meridian View PostI don't have much doubt that that will be what it sounds like up there either, but tough discussions have to be made to make sure everyone understands what the final outcome will be and what the impact is on them. It would be negligent of a government to do otherwise (imo)
Originally posted by meridian View PostYou will find no precedent for the 2016 referendum - a question with no plan. You will though find examples of referendums being rerun where the public were not informed enough the first time around.
On a wider subject, questioning the outcome of a democratic vote is of course a very dangerous thing to do, because it automatically invites into question the outcome of every other democratic vote. Perhaps not in your eyes, but in the eyes of your opponents and potential extremists among them. You query the referendum, I question the general election. You say the referendum vote wasn't binding, I (devil's advocate) say the UK government is illegitimate ...and so it carries on, into unthinkable territory.Comment
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