Brexit BOOM

[sasguru]

Err, no, the “we” that now has a clearer view of the cost is all of us. Do pay attention.

May has made it clear that the CU + SM are out. Japanese car manufacturers have made it clear that if that is the case, then they will be moving bases to the mainland.

Put it in a withdrawal agreement and send it back to the people. If they can see the final deal and still want to leave then at least they’ve had all of the available information to confirm that decision.

It’s not much different to buying a house. The offer has gone in and been accepted, now we’ve got the survey done and there are some problems. We can either accept those costs and problems and carry on buying the house, or we can withdraw. (Note that there is no time for any renegotiation of terms, it will be either accept or withdraw).

I don't agree. We should have a hard Brexit now, so the winners of the referendum, can, well, win

[meridian]

I don't agree. We should have a hard Brexit now, so the winners of the referendum, can, well, win

Well, it ain’t over until the fat lady sings...

[jamesbrown]

Well, it ain’t over until the fat lady sings...

Does Corbyn think that's going to fly with Chuka Umunna et al.? "Access". "Underpinned by institutions". How is that different from what May is proposing? Access, underpinned by institutions in specific sectors. Seems like a pretty obvious attempt to quell unrest against their not backing the EEA amendment. Will be interesting to see the response from Umunna et al. in due course. What they want is a firm commitment to EEA. Corbyn is a hardcore leaver, and he'll only placate the remain ultras insofar as it causes the gov't problems without undermining the outcome he wants.

[jamesbrown]

Agree with Jim Pickard.

one person familiar with the thinking described it to me as a "repackaging of existing policy to harry the government", which is about right

Nailed it, from where I'm looking.



Edit, also this:

so apparently at shadow cabinet meeting this morning Labour leadership committed itself to abstain on Lords EEA amendment on single market next Tuesday - even though it may have been able to defeat the government...am told there will be “fireworks” with backbenchers

This is where it's at. In case there was any doubt that Corbyn's a leaver...

[meridian]

Does Corbyn think that's going to fly with Chuka Umunna et al.? "Access". "Underpinned by institutions". How is that different from what May is proposing? Access, underpinned by institutions in specific sectors. Seems like a pretty obvious attempt to quell unrest against their not backing the EEA amendment. Will be interesting to see the response from Umunna et al. in due course. What they want is a firm commitment to EEA. Corbyn is a hardcore leaver, and he'll only placate the remain ultras insofar as it causes the gov't problems without undermining the outcome he wants.

There’s no doubt it’s more cakeism, especially with “no new impediments to trade and common rights”. Leaving the SM is by definition introducing new impediments to trade.

You also missed “a” negotiating objective, i.e not the only one...

[meridian]

Agree with Jim Pickard.



Nailed it, from where I'm looking.



Edit, also this:



This is where it's at. In case there was any doubt that Corbyn's a leaver...

And this is where any claims that the U.K. has a better democracy than the EU is a farce. Any Labour whip to abstain and the opposition may as well not turn up.

[jamesbrown]

And this is where any claims that the U.K. has a better democracy than the EU is a farce. Any Labour whip to abstain and the opposition may as well not turn up.

I mean, his desire to topple HMG should outweigh all other considerations, right? All the evidence points to Corbyn being a pretty hardcore leaver. Possibly exaggerated by his hatred of all the ex-Blairites that are particularly keen on the EEA option. Either way, the irony is that the EEA amendment and the above amendment will both now fail.

[unixman]

Err, no, the “we” that now has a clearer view of the cost is all of us.

"All of us" who lost the referendum ?

Do pay attention.

That attitude will go down great with the welders in Sunderland. Can I bring pop corn ?

May has made it clear that the CU + SM are out. Japanese car manufacturers have made it clear that if that is the case, then they will be moving bases to the mainland. Put it in a withdrawal agreement and send it back to the people. If they can see the final deal and still want to leave then at least they’ve had all of the available information to confirm that decision.

The trouble is, this is always going to translate to: "I want to re-run the referendum because my side lost, dammit". It sounds like it to me, here in Milton Keynes. It will sound even more like it the Birtley CIU club.

It’s not much different to buying a house. The offer has gone in and been accepted, now we’ve got the survey done and there are some problems. We can either accept those costs and problems and carry on buying the house, or we can withdraw. (Note that there is no time for any renegotiation of terms, it will be either accept or withdraw).

A democratic vote is nothing like buying a house. For confirmation, see any UK vote in the last 100 years. You will find no precedent for anything you are advocating. Parallels will be found however, in the electoral histories of Zimbabwe, Iran, where they have form for "cancelling a vote for the good of the people"...

[Old Greg]

"All of us" who lost the referendum ?



That attitude will go down great with the welders in Sunderland. Can I bring pop corn ?



The trouble is, this is always going to translate to: "I want to re-run the referendum because my side lost, dammit". It sounds like it to me, here in Milton Keynes. It will sound even more like it the Birtley CIU club.



A democratic vote is nothing like buying a house. For confirmation, see any UK vote in the last 100 years. You will find no precedent for anything you are advocating. Parallels will be found however, in the electoral histories of Zimbabwe, Iran, where they have form for "cancelling a vote for the good of the people"...

So you would be fine with another referendum in that case - not parliament cancelling the vote, but the people having a say? Otherwise have you considered parallels in the electoral histories of countries that further democratic votes are not required? Google 'Enabling Act' if you're unsure. Democracy is not a once-off process.

But I wouldn't worry, the British electorate is probably thick enough to vote Leave again.

[DimPrawn]

But I wouldn't worry, the British electorate is probably thick enough to vote Leave again.

After listening to the utter bollox you and your expat loser chums endlessly trot out, I reckon the vote will be 80% leave on another vote.