Donald Tusk’s response to May’s latest speech

[PurpleGorilla]

Place holder for some pathetic one liner that completely disrespects any suggestion from the UK.

[clearedforlanding]

Place holder for some pathetic one liner that completely disrespects any suggestion from the UK.

Disrespect is irrelevant when you hold all the cards. The UK is not in a position to negotiate. Any sentiment on this matter is acedemic.

[WTFH]

Since her speech is going to focus on "Five Tests", let's take a look:

"First, the agreement we reach with the EU must respect the result of the referendum. It was a vote to take control of our borders, laws and money. And a vote for wider change, so that no community in Britain would ever be left behind again. But it was not a vote for a distant relationship with our neighbours.

"Second, the new agreement we reach with the EU must endure. After Brexit, both the UK and the EU want to forge ahead with building a better future for our people, not find ourselves back at the negotiating table because things have broken down.

"Third, it must protect people's jobs and security. People in the UK voted for our country to have a new and different relationship with Europe, but while the means may change our shared goals surely have not - to work together to grow our economies and keep our people safe.

"Fourth, it must be consistent with the kind of country we want to be as we leave: a modern, open, outward-looking, tolerant, European democracy.
A nation of pioneers, innovators, explorers and creators. A country that celebrates our history and diversity, confident of our place in the world; that meets its obligations to our near neighbours and far off friends, and is proud to stand up for its values.

"And fifth, in doing all of these things, it must strengthen our union of nations and our union of people."

Test 1. We already had control over our borders, laws and money, just cause the government refused to do anything about them doesn't mean leaving the EU will make a jot of difference. Brexit won't change that
Test 2. Well, you'd better get negotiating then, rather than just saying no to everything. The UK could negotiate with the EU before Brexit, so it's no different.
Test 3. See test 2
Test 4. Not sure what that has to do with Brexit
Test 5. Which union of nations? The UK or the EU? What's it got to do with Brexit?

In other words, her five tests are just like "Brexit means Brexit", etc, vacuous sound bites that are meaningless.

...or am I oversimplifying it?

[clearedforlanding]

Since her speech is going to focus on "Five Tests", let's take a look:



Test 1. We already had control over our borders, laws and money, just cause the government refused to do anything about them doesn't mean leaving the EU will make a jot of difference. Brexit won't change that
Test 2. Well, you'd better get negotiating then, rather than just saying no to everything. The UK could negotiate with the EU before Brexit, so it's no different.
Test 3. See test 2
Test 4. Not sure what that has to do with Brexit
Test 5. Which union of nations? The UK or the EU? What's it got to do with Brexit?

In other words, her five tests are just like "Brexit means Brexit", etc, vacuous sound bites that are meaningless.

...or am I oversimplifying it?

The "deepest possible" free trade deal is achievable because it is in both EU and UK interests, she will argue.

This is a classic example of a statement that means **** all, but the leavers are hanging on to.

What time is this farce on 14:30 CET?

[WTFH]

The "deepest possible" free trade deal is achievable because it is in both EU and UK interests, she will argue.

You mean like some kind of, I don't know, "customs union" with "free movement of goods, services and people for work"

That would be the perfect UK/EU relationship, couldn't get much deeper than that.

[vetran]

Disrespect is irrelevant when you hold all the cards. The UK is not in a position to negotiate. Any sentiment on this matter is acedemic.

so its the decision to leave the EU you don't like not the fact the EU is playing the cards not negotiating for the best solution for all?


Personally I find the EU behaviour reinforces my wish to leave.

[PurpleGorilla]

Disrespect is irrelevant when you hold all the cards. The UK is not in a position to negotiate. Any sentiment on this matter is acedemic.

acedemic?

[WTFH]

Personally I find the EU behaviour reinforces my wish to leave.

Their behaviour when they ask the UK what it wants, or their behaviour when they try to negotiate with a bunch on nitwits?

[DaveB]

so its the decision to leave the EU you don't like not the fact the EU is playing the cards not negotiating for the best solution for all?


Personally I find the EU behaviour reinforces my wish to leave.

The EU are doing what they need to do to get whats best for the EU. That doesn't automatically correlate with whats best for the UK.

We voted to leave, the fact that the basis of that departure was never made clear and that the government has proved to be a bunch of clueless chunts when it comes to sorting it out is not the EU's fault.

[motoukenin]

Place holder for some pathetic one liner that completely disrespects any suggestion from the UK.

Try this experiment , go buy 30 packets of sausages from a wholesaler like Costco then walk into Sainsbury's and start selling them to their customers who are walking down the meat isle.

You will find that Sainsbury's will completely violate your rights of free market access by marching you off their premises. Feel free to write to your MP and explain how pathetic Sainsbury's are and that they will be the losers by punishing you with their ridiculous trade rules.

By the way you will be much better off not doing this in the future because who would want to deal with Sainsbury's when they are acting in such a childish way.