UK politicians vs unelected bureaucrats

[meridian]

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ale-collapsed?



If Brexit is the best thing for the country, then a second referendum on the final leave terms (or not to leave) should be a doddle. Every voter in the country should be standing behind any call for a final say, after all, didn’t we take back control?

[malvolio]

Sorry but the unelected (and likely unelectable) Adonis being quoted in the Grauniad is not a reliable source of information...

However I do agree that if the final deal is as good as the tories are optimistically suggesting (of which I am highly sceptical) then were a second referendum to be held it would be a walkover. Although since Parliament has put its collective foot down and it won't be held anyway why is it even being given consideration

[eek]

Sorry but the unelected (and likely unelectable) Adonis being quoted in the Grauniad is not a reliable source of information...

However I do agree that if the final deal is as good as the tories are optimistically suggesting (of which I am highly sceptical) then were a second referendum to be held it would be a walkover. Although since Parliament has put its collective foot down and it won't be held anyway why is it even being given consideration

Adonis is however right in today's Sunday Times. Grayling needs to go for allowing Virgin Trains East Coast to escape the bill they committed to paying...

[jamesbrown]

Adonis is however right in today's Sunday Times. Grayling needs to go for allowing Virgin Trains East Coast to escape the bill they committed to paying...

Ironically, that call might be the only thing that saves him from the imminent Cabinet reshuffle.

As an aside, I particularly enjoyed the way Adonis decided to resign, and to tell us about it. In the Austrian Alps. Skiing. Brilliant.

[malvolio]

Adonis was history anyway. Another of Blair's cronies appointed way above his pay grade. He jumped before being ignominiously pushed...

[meridian]

Plenty of messenger-shooting going on, but nothing of substance about the actual message.

If even half of what Adonis says about our civil service is true, the likelihood of a) a good deal b) on time to avoid WTO, is looking more and more remote.

Perhaps your ire would be better directed towards Davis, Fox, Johnson, etc than Adonis.

[BrilloPad]

So no civil servants agree with government policy.

Have we not moved on from Yes minister?

[jamesbrown]

Plenty of messenger-shooting going on, but nothing of substance about the actual message.

If even half of what Adonis says about our civil service is true, the likelihood of a) a good deal b) on time to avoid WTO, is looking more and more remote.

Perhaps your ire would be better directed towards Davis, Fox, Johnson, etc than Adonis.

I think it’s a reasonable observation that hardcore Remainers have no capacity for critical self-reflection. They are politically and emotionally retarded. Like National Front thickos, one might say.

[BrilloPad]

I think it’s a reasonable observation that hardcore Remainers have no capacity for critical self-reflection. They are politically and emotionally retarded. Like National Front thickos, one might say.

Are hardcore leavers any better?

[jamesbrown]

Are hardcore leavers any better?

Indeed not. They are one and the same, as I’ve said many times.