UK politicians vs unelected bureaucrats

[malvolio]

Plenty of messenger-shooting going on, but nothing of substance about the actual message.

If even half of what Adonis says about our civil service is true, the likelihood of a) a good deal b) on time to avoid WTO, is looking more and more remote.

Perhaps your ire would be better directed towards Davis, Fox, Johnson, etc than Adonis.

So attack the people who do know what's happening as opposed to a peripheral Quango apparatchik with a dodgy history in a failed government. Yeah, good plan.

Most of what is in the papers is sourced from the EU side. Clearly it is not going to be supportive of a good deal for the UK.

[BrilloPad]

Most of what is in the papers is sourced from the EU side.

Indeed. I have wondered why the government does not feed more information to the papers.

Even the express seems to post pro-EU stories.

[malvolio]

Indeed. I have wondered why the government does not feed more information to the papers.

Even the express seems to post pro-EU stories.

Because making the deal look like it's going to favour the EU will make whatever deal we do eventually get to look good in comparison. And on the EU side they are trying to impress 27 member states with their tough negotiating skills to keep them onside. Bread and circuses...

Meanwhile, in the real world, a pragmatic and mutually beneficial deal is the most likely outcome. A bit like the ones they've already achieved over some key supposedly intractable issues like mutual citizen protections and the Irish border.

[vetran]

Because making the deal look like it's going to favour the EU will make whatever deal we do eventually get to look good in comparison. And on the EU side they are trying to impress 27 member states with their tough negotiating skills to keep them onside. Bread and circuses...

Meanwhile, in the real world, a pragmatic and mutually beneficial deal is the most likely outcome. A bit like the ones they've already achieved over some key supposedly intractable issues like mutual citizen protections and the Irish border.

stop talking sense, you are in the wrong forum for that.

[darmstadt]

stop talking sense, you are in the wrong forum for that.

Yes, you need to go over to the Daily Mail comments section for that