A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[Bean]

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Let me spell it out simpler for you so you understand.

We import 50% of our food , nearly all of our oil and about 65 % of our clothes , when our pound slumps like it has when we voted to leave the EU then imports cost more, its a fact as no company is going to subsidise this for 63 million people.

These are items that everyone buys , regardless of class or status , therefore the people who are just about managing will have to pay more for these items.

60 quid may not seem much to a contractor but 60 quid to millions of people is the difference between paying for food with money you have and slapping it on a credit card which is what people do and hence the massive increase in debt the UK has over any other EU country in the last year.

If this is a long term problem it was not in 2013 but is now , and about to get worse when we leave the EU then the credit card is maxed out and you have nowhere to go, except buy less food or clothes or fuel or starve or not get to work or go to a food bank or do some sort of car sharing or some combination of these , none of which is a solution to the problem and generally leads to more debt and higher costs which most can't pay, result in more divorce , house selling, job moves and redundancy.

In short people don't care a sh!t about an EU army , EU banks being proped up , EU laws or any of your other trivial ,irrelevant and sometimes completly inaccurate rantings , what they care about is getting by day to day, and clearly since Brexit which has pushed up the cost of these items as they are largely imported then they are going to see this more and more.

That is what the original poster is telling you but maybe you just want to ignore this as although this is happening here and now , it does not seem to fit with the idealogical view of Brexit which is on the whole a theory that up to now is going badly wrong because the EU are not doing what you want them to.

What is the problem?
What is the solution then?
How do you know what people care about (at least some voters interviewed have listed some things you listed as reasons for voting out...)?

I don't ignore people living outside of their means.
I'm aware most people don't have a rainy day fund.
Currency fluctuations can occur at any time, for multiple reasons.

Will the reduction/removal of tariffs from non-eu produce have no counter-effect on the prices of some goods?

Some people want to trigger house selling, or at least a correction to the bubble.
The government has an interest in keeping people in work, so will they take zero action?

Perhaps this is kick the country needs to wean itself off huge consumer debts, that have become an addiction?

[Bean]

Mr. Bean seems to be unemployed and inexperienced to me judging by his juvenile ranting. Probably a student, probably living with him mum. Head firmly stuck up arse, probably a virgin.

Wrong on all counts. That must be a surprise for you, given your crystal ball

Thank you for your ad-hominems and contribution to the discussion, as per usual

[Bean]

And you are pointing the wrong way, as ever you’re ignoring what I’ve been saying, convinced that it’s the opposite. It’s not about selling outside the UK, it is about selling in the UK, whether by UK manufacturers or foreign suppliers.

Since you’re not interested in reading what is being written, there’s no point in trying to explain any further to you, you’re not interested in the truth, only in trying to spin it to mean the opposite.

I am interested in reading what you have written, specifically this;

"So you will see, for example, BS EN 12195, but there isn’t an equivalent of BS1192. Then there’s ISO 13567, which is similar to BS1192, but if there is a difference between the two standards, then in the UK BS1192 overrides ISO 13567."

So have I got it wrong, or is that YOU, positing that some foreign exporter, currently has to stamp a UK specific standard mark on products?

[sasguru]

Wrong on all counts. That must be a surprise for you, given your crystal ball

Thank you for your ad-hominems and contribution to the discussion, as per usual

You do seem a bit thick though. Not ad-hominem, just an observation. Maybe I'm being too harsh and you're just a bit autistic.

[original PM]

Bullies pick on the weak. Are you weak?

Bullies pick on people they think are weak and will not fight back.

As soon as you stand up to a bully they normally go away - mainly because in the real world that often means a humiliating beating for the bully and a loss of perceived power.

As obviously we cannot go around beating the tulip of other posters so a simple insult should suffice.

[Bean]

You do seem a bit thick though. Not ad-hominem, just an observation. Maybe I'm being too harsh and you're just a bit autistic.

So how did you 'observe' that;

"I probably live with my mum",
or
"that I was probably a virgin".

Logic isn't your string point is it?

You seem to have removed all doubt about yourself by posting that.

[sasguru]

So how did you 'observe' that;

"I probably live with my mum",
or
"that I was probably a virgin".

Logic isn't your string point is it?

You seem to have removed all doubt about yourself by posting that.

I'm surprised you don't post with caps, TBH
But you do make up for it with the underlining and bold.

Shouldn't laugh really, mental illness isn't funny.

[Bean]

I'm surprised you don't post with caps, TBH
But you do make up for it with the underlining and bold.

Shouldn't laugh really, mental illness isn't funny.

Sooo no explanation and therefore it was an ad-hominem - thanks for confirming

Well, I haven't seen too many people here laughing at your mental illness, they seem to have pity for you, mostly.

HTH BIDI

[WTFH]

I am interested in reading what you have written, specifically this;

"So you will see, for example, BS EN 12195, but there isn’t an equivalent of BS1192. Then there’s ISO 13567, which is similar to BS1192, but if there is a difference between the two standards, then in the UK BS1192 overrides ISO 13567."

So have I got it wrong, or is that YOU, positing that some foreign exporter, currently has to stamp a UK specific standard mark on products?

Let’s break it down and I will try to use small words.
If someone is supplying a product in the UK which is required to meet a standard, then evidence must be printed on the product or the packaging to prove it meets that standard.
The majority of standards the UK uses are actually International or European ones, e.g. BS EN12195 is a standard that is European. If the code contains EN then it is a European standard, if it contains ISO or IEC it is international.
That’s the majority of the standard used in the UK.
One of the reasons why the UK has adopted European standards is because it makes the manufacture and supply of goods easier globally for businesses wishing to supply Europe, including the UK.

There are a few - and I will repeat this because you’ve ignored it before - a few standards that are not used by Europe but are used by the UK. These tend not to be in the manufacturing and supply of goods. I have given an example of BS1192 which is about how technical drawings should be drawn. This includes information such as “THRO” is the British Standard in drawings as an abbreviation for “THROUGH”
ISO 13567 is the international standard for computer aided design layers.

So, to repeat, there are a few standards used in the UK which are UK specific. Most standards the UK uses for the manufacturing and supply of goods are European ones.

I was going to go on and try to explain to you again what this means to currently trading businesses, but if you don’t understand the basics, you’ll not be able to understand the impact that they have on businesses in the UK or businesses that supply to the UK.

[Cirrus]

Beware this virus in our midst

Will the reduction/removal of tariffs from non-eu produce have no counter-effect on the prices of some goods?

Let us be absolutely clear: nobody voted for tariff-free trade. It wasn't on the ballot paper.

The looney right are slipping in this nonsense because they know if half the population is so stupid they would vote Yes then they can be hoodwinked on any other barmy idealogy.

Tariff free trade is not a good thing.