A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[Bean]

The EU appears to be saying it is an option. I won't pretend to understand the mechanism for withdrawing Article 50, though.

I doubt anyone does, since it's never been triggered, let alone withdrawn

Put it to a vote - that's democracy. Maybe people would rather stay once they see what leaving looks like. Maybe they wouldn't.

Maybe IF that's an option, which I fully doubt and in any case - the vote to leave would still take priority over a vote on the settlement (if that makes sense) - so we should still be 'leaving', just not with the deal on the table

These are fair questions, as it is impossible to see the future. Mostly, I think these are Kipper paranoid fantasies - would the UK ever e forced into the Eurozone or Schengen? No. Can the UK lose its veto without agreeing? No. If QMV takes the EU down a path which is intolerable to the UK, then the UK can leave. It seems odd to leave in case the EU takes this direction. Then all of this has to be balanced against the Leave vote, and at the time of the referendum nobody could say whether leave meant inside or outside the customs union, single market, ECHR, agreements of freedom of movement...

Some have been proven now though.

So there really can be no objection against a democratic vote on the agreed settlement vs remaining in the EU.

As I said before, it's more of a risk for people averse to 'hard brexit'/'no deal'

[northernladyuk]

If the Graun is correct, why haven't all UK airlines gone tits up? An increase of £50m due to the fall in sterling (which sounds reasonably accurate) should be easily affordable, and most airlines hedge USD rates anyway. It's the £3bn for the new planes which pushed them over the edge, they should have waited until they had a stable business - Easyjet & Ryanair have been doing this (mostly brilliantly) for years, and Monarch thought they could just wander into the market and carry on as normal? As I said, it was poor management and greedy owners. Monarch was in trouble 3 years ago, well before anyone was even dreaming about Brexit. The loss of some of its routes in Tunisia and Egypt won't have helped, and they should have been thinking about consolidating, not expanding.
The Graun analysis is lazy and predictable, blame Brexit for everything and don't bother looking anywhere else.

Do you understand what multiple contributing factors are, or indeed anything about cause and effect?

Your analysis appears to state that if weak sterling was a contributing factor to the collapse of Monarch, then all other UK airlines would have collapsed. Even for a Brexit cretin like you, this is very weak stuff indeed. I don't shock easily anymore, but really!

[northernladyuk]

As I said before, it's more of a risk for people averse to 'hard brexit'/'no deal'

It may be a risk but that's democracy. You don't always get the answer you want. But you would support a second referendum in the interests of democracy?

[Mordac]

The move away from long haul was at the same time they had a massive cash injection from investors - I'm not sure they had much choice in the matter. As for terror attacks and competition there's a whole thread on PPRUNE about how Ryanair are a bunch of scumbags, with O'Leary being the worst of them, describing how he effectively bends every rule in the book. So yeah, when trying to legitimately conduct a business in a professional manner against a man who elects to conduct his business on the shady side of practice, you're going to struggle. I don't disagree that there weren't other issues, but I do feel that the £ vs $ was the main culprit here.

[Bean]

It may be a risk but that's democracy. You don't always get the answer you want. But you would support a second referendum in the interests of democracy?

I would support a free vote in the HoC and if no clear majority - a referendum, we have representative democracy after all

[northernladyuk]

I would support a free vote in the HoC and if no clear majority - a referendum, we have representative democracy after all

The only reason for not having a second referendum is that you are afraid to let the people have a direct say.

[northernladyuk]

Be fair. Where he says 'main culprit', at least he understands that an effect can have multiple contributory causes. You could learn a lot from him, if only you had the requisite cognitive capabilities.

[scooterscot]

No one knew what they were voting for because no knows what leaving the EU would mean. How will a future trade agreement compare against what we currently, which our economy is so dependent on? No one knows! Least of all the government.

It beggars belief that bojo who destroyed families and opportunities for young people up and down the country continues to enjoy paid employment in government. Vile! vacuous creature.

[Bee]

I'll keep this concise; we need a second referendum. Monarch is the first major business casualty to come as a result of Brexit, due to an extremely weak pound.

July 19th 2015 the £ vs the Euro was 1.44
August 25th 2017, it's 1.077.
Prior to Brexit the £ was at its weakest in 2013, and even then it was at 1.13.

Why do we need another chance to vote? The turnout was 72%. I didn't vote because frankly, neither side used any FACTUAL information when presenting their argument. No-one actually knew what it meant so honestly, how on earth can you cast a vote? At least when you vote for a party they have a manifesto (not that it is ever stuck to) so you can get at least an idea of what the horizon may look like in a few years time. I am almost certain there were a large number of people who also didn't vote based on this total lack of information or frank dishonesty from both sides.

Oh - and then there was the fact people voted for David Cameron steering us out of the EU - someone who was actually relatively capable, but oh no wait - another lie - he resigned. Whatever happened to "I'll see this through no matter the result!" - the whole thing has been a sham

Brexit voters I really really hope your immigration policies (which won't happen by the way) and "sovereignty" were worth it.

God help us of Corbyn offers us a glimmer of hope to go back in to Europe - I really fear people who wouldn't usually vote for Labour may just do so to get back into the club.

Another referendum for what? The citizens expressed the will to leave the EU, so let them leave.

[northernladyuk]

No one knew what they were voting for because no knows what leaving the EU would mean. How will a future trade agreement compare against what we currently, which our economy is so dependent on? No one knows! Least of all the government.

It beggars belief that bojo who destroyed families and opportunities for young people up and down the country continues to enjoy paid employment in government.



Veil [sic] vacuous creature.

FTFY. Love the new signature, by the way.