A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[Bee]

We know the ballot paper stated leaving the EU. It just didn't define whether the UK would stay or remain in the custom's union, the single market, the ECHR or the free movement of labour area. So the referendum delivers no mandate in these areas. Some other (non-EU) states participate in one or more of these.

Leaving the EU means leaving the EU and it's not going to be the UK citizens based on whatever referendum that will be going to impose the rules to the EU. You can do it but it's only for the UK internal affairs.

[motoukenin]

There could be*. It's an option.
*amount to be defined by a manifesto of a political party (of which vote leave doesn't stand in the GE)

What new regulations have been imposed/implemented?
Aren't we still part and parcel of the EU and small businesses have to do that anyway now?

I'd hope there would be some help from the government (and also isn't that what the transition deal is for?), but capitalism determines this, or are you trying to posit that EU regulations will be the cause of businesses closing?

Business opportunities increase when uncertainty arises don't they?

You keep talking about a transition deal like its a given, its up the the EU if we get that and with a 100% vote required it certainly isn't , especially as 2 countries have already said that whatever the deal is they are going to refuse it anyway.

[darmstadt]

Actually mordac, continue the debate with darmy. The two of you are perfectly matched.

Whereas you're well matched with shaunbhoy...

[mattfx]

As you didn't vote ... Shut up and stop bellyaching

And for those who did vote, but voted Remain ... Shut up and stop bellyaching

HTH but I'm sure it won't

I think there's a difference between being too lazy to vote and not voting because one feels there was a lack of credible information. Had the information about the customs union been available at the time of voting I would have absolutely voted. Speculation at the time was that we would be able to negotiate to maintain our relationship with the customs union whilst being outside, because there are already state that do this.

I started this thread simply to suggest that there must have been others in my predicament, not knowing which way to go or feeling like the amount of scare tactics being employed by either side discredited both of them.

[Bean]

You keep talking about a transition deal like its a given, its up the the EU if we get that and with a 100% vote required it certainly isn't , especially as 2 countries have already said that whatever the deal is they are going to refuse it anyway.

Businesses want it.
Almost all UK politicians want it.
The NI border issue is on-hold until after any T-deal, so basically everyone should want it.

No transition deal suits a few people, so either way the EU & UK are going to make some happy and some angry. Can't please everyone.

I expect one to be agreed between the negotiators, and if it is voted down by MEPs that should be interesting. The council however should be QM voting, so 2 against shouldn't in theory be a problem, but again - will they really want to be the only one to put their heads above the parapet? Still, we should be making preparations for no-deal, including to help those most affected by the 'cliff-edge'.

[Bean]

See how much your snout could get in the EU trough

"Basic monthly permanent official salaries range from around €2,300 per month for a newly recruited Assistant-Secretary (AST/SC 1) official to around €16,000 per month for a top level Administrator (AD 16 official) with more than 4 years of seniority. Each grade is broken up into five seniority steps with corresponding salary increases. Basic salaries are adjusted annually in line with inflation and purchasing power in the EU countries.

In addition, if you have left your home country to come and work for an EU institution, you are entitled to an expatriation allowance equivalent to 16% of your basic salary.

Some family-related allowances are available to permanent officials according to their family situation. These include a household allowance, a dependant child allowance, an educational allowance and a pre-school allowance.

As a European civil servant, your salary is not subject to national income tax. Instead, salaries are directly subject to a Community tax which is paid directly back into the EU's budget. This tax is levied progressively at a rate of between 8% and 45% of the taxable portion of your salary. An additional 'solidarity levy' is in place from 2014 to 2023."



I wonder if EU ushers are paid, and if so, how much?

[motoukenin]

Businesses want it.
Almost all UK politicians want it.
The NI border issue is on-hold until after any T-deal, so basically everyone should want it.

No transition deal suits a few people, so either way the EU & UK are going to make some happy and some angry. Can't please everyone.

I expect one to be agreed between the negotiators, and if it is voted down by MEPs that should be interesting. The council however should be QM voting, so 2 against shouldn't in theory be a problem, but again - will they really want to be the only one to put their heads above the parapet? Still, we should be making preparations for no-deal, including to help those most affected by the 'cliff-edge'.

Think your making the mistake of thinking the EU give a toss about British business or politicians, from living here in Germany the consensus of opinion is that they don't , they are expecting a cliff edge , nobody in the EU wants a transition deal as most see it as the EU giving a new deal to the UK by the back door.

EU has a duty to look after the 27 nations in the EU not the UK , and German papers think that WTO although not great will be workable with a trade deal in 5 - 7 years time.

Just giving it to you from the EU side as I think the Brits are pretty myopic sometimes.

[northernladyuk]

Leaving the EU means leaving the EU and it's not going to be the UK citizens based on whatever referendum that will be going to impose the rules to the EU. You can do it but it's only for the UK internal affairs.

Classic.

[northernladyuk]

See how much your snout could get in the EU trough

"Basic monthly permanent official salaries range from around €2,300 per month for a newly recruited Assistant-Secretary (AST/SC 1) official to around €16,000 per month for a top level Administrator (AD 16 official) with more than 4 years of seniority. Each grade is broken up into five seniority steps with corresponding salary increases. Basic salaries are adjusted annually in line with inflation and purchasing power in the EU countries.

In addition, if you have left your home country to come and work for an EU institution, you are entitled to an expatriation allowance equivalent to 16% of your basic salary.

Some family-related allowances are available to permanent officials according to their family situation. These include a household allowance, a dependant child allowance, an educational allowance and a pre-school allowance.

As a European civil servant, your salary is not subject to national income tax. Instead, salaries are directly subject to a Community tax which is paid directly back into the EU's budget. This tax is levied progressively at a rate of between 8% and 45% of the taxable portion of your salary. An additional 'solidarity levy' is in place from 2014 to 2023."



I wonder if EU ushers are paid, and if so, how much?

I broadly agree with this critique. Just not enough to trash the UK economy over it.

[Bean]

Think your making the mistake of thinking the EU give a toss about British business or politicians, from living here in Germany the consensus of opinion is that they don't , they are expecting a cliff edge , nobody in the EU wants a transition deal as most see it as the EU giving a new deal to the UK by the back door.

EU has a duty to look after the 27 nations in the EU not the UK , and German papers think that WTO although not great will be workable with a trade deal in 5 - 7 years time.

Just giving it to you from the EU side as I think the Brits are pretty myopic sometimes.

All of that is fine (and actually somewhat expected if you believe the punishment theory), as long as (as I previously stated);

"Still, we* should be making preparations for no-deal, including to help those most affected** by the 'cliff-edge'."

*UK government
**Businesses