Britain has backed itself into a corner

[Bean]

The EU would make no claims about Chile. It needs some historical perspective. For example we have seen the longest period of peace between France and Germany (Prussia and Holy Roman Empire) since at least the Thirty Years War. And these wars tend to be spread and be devastating. It is of course impossible to prove the counterfactual but the EU seems to do a good job of preventing wars between member states. And history shows that such wars often spread much more widely.

I never said the EU did claim that.
I've already stated I'm enquiring about people posting on this forum, specifically this thread - that are proposing the EU as peacemaker.

Correlation !=causation

So the 3 continent vision of 1984 is the way to avoid wars? Supranational collections of former states?

Have wars been in decline in general (with the advent of nuclear deterrents)?
Has NATO done more than the EU?

You're right it's impossible to disprove the counterfactual, however is it sensible to maybe take time to pause and think about my last two questions before proclaiming the EU as the underlying cause of peace?

[WTFH]

Anyway, my point is that the EU is getting involved in conflicts - and therefore is not necessarily a force for peace.

Did the EU intervention in the Ukraine situation help or hinder the ending of the conflict?

There's a difference between a political body getting involved with a conflict inside/outside the EU...

Although I'm disputing people posting on here about the EU being a force for peace, not the EU itself claiming to be so.

Well simply put, I want to know from the posters who posit the EU as a facilitator of peace

Just need the other EU peace facilitator proponents to speak up now and confirm they believe the same as you, or some other nuance.

I never said the EU did claim that.
I've already stated I'm enquiring about people posting on this forum, specifically this thread - that are proposing the EU as peacemaker.

I’ve just re-read the whole thread and pulled out every post that talks about the EU being a force for peace.
There’s only one person who keeps repeating it.

Just because you repeat something yourself doesn’t mean others said it.

[sasguru]

I’ve just re-read the whole thread and pulled out every post that talks about the EU being a force for peace.
There’s only one person who keeps repeating it.

Just because you repeat something yourself doesn’t mean others said it.

Chap shows all the signs of mental illness, particularly obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Or it just could be a sock-puppet.

[tomtomagain]

the worst case at the moment is that at the end of the Article 27 period there is going to be a massive queue at Dover

And correspondingly large queues in Calais and Zeebrugge

[vetran]

The EU would make no claims about Chile. It needs some historical perspective. For example we have seen the longest period of peace between France and Germany (Prussia and Holy Roman Empire) since at least the Thirty Years War. And these wars tend to be spread and be devastating. It is of course impossible to prove the counterfactual but the EU seems to do a good job of preventing wars between member states. And history shows that such wars often spread much more widely.

We have also seen the longest period of peace between major EU countries since the birth of Little Boy. If its between turning your opponents capital city into a radioactive pile of glass and being savaged by Drunker , Barmy & Merkel I know which I believe is the cause of peace.

Don't forget we were trading with the French & Germans and our Royal families were even inter-related for centuries yet we were keen on murdering millions. So just creating a joint expense account run by the French & Germans hardly seems probable that it will create peace after centuries of conflict.

As we have seen repeatedly the EU was totally useless every time there was a conflict. Do provide some evidence otherwise.

The reason Kim Jong nutter isn't eating lead or enjoying Shock & awe is he has nukes, do try to tell me otherwise.

[woohoo]

The EU would make no claims about Chile. It needs some historical perspective. For example we have seen the longest period of peace between France and Germany (Prussia and Holy Roman Empire) since at least the Thirty Years War. And these wars tend to be spread and be devastating. It is of course impossible to prove the counterfactual but the EU seems to do a good job of preventing wars between member states. And history shows that such wars often spread much more widely.

It's Nato that has kept the peace in Europe. The EU has actually caused a conflict in Ukraine.

[AtW]

The EU has actually caused a conflict in Ukraine.

Did the EU invade Crimea and annexed it?

Or was it like Greece's fault that resulted in Turkey occupying Northern Cyprus?

[northernladyuk]

It's Nato that has kept the peace in Europe. The EU has actually caused a conflict in Ukraine.

Is it really all so black and white? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations

[woohoo]

Is it really all so black and white? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations

Nothing is black and white, but considering the history, attempting to expand the EU by including Ukraine (trade deals etc) triggered the conflict.

Saying the EU has kept peace in Europe is a bit crap, Nato mostly backed by the US and it's money did that.

[AtW]

Nothing is black and white, but considering the history, attempting to expand the EU by including Ukraine (trade deals etc) triggered the conflict.

What conflict - invasion of Ukraine by Russia?

There are 10 times more people dead in this "conflict" compared to Falklands War.

Not surprised to hear this tulip from thick Brexiter.