Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit

[NotAllThere]

Parliament is the people, you mupp!

FFS you are thick.

If that was in relation to my comment, and not just a general observation, would you care to elaborate?

MPs act in what they think is the best interests of the people of their constituency. It that way, they represent the people. However, they do not have to do what the majority (or even a large minority) of the people in their constituency want. And usually they don't.

From that, you apparently draw the conclusion that "Parliament is the people", and sovereignty lies with "the people". Well, I can't help if you're incapable of thinking logically or analytically. So keep calm and carry on in your delusional world; I'm sure you find it comforting.

The reality is, however, that parliament, being sovereign, can, under law, do what the **** it likes and screw "the people". (Cue the usual - and again, delusional - shrill cry of "there'll be rioting in the streets if they do that").

[original PM]

Does the UK actually have anyone who can do the negotiations?

If course we do, very resourceful people we are.

Don't tell anyone but we used to have an empire that spanned the world.

Especially don't tell the Germans they have tried to conquer the world twice and keep screwing up.

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[BlasterBates]

There won't be a negotiation the EU will tell Britain what the terms and conditions are.

The UK has already caved in to the EU's first demand and you will see this repeated over and over.

basically the whole Brexit process will be driven and determined by the EU to their timetable and their conditions. There is no point in spending money on a UK negotiation team, they may as well just have a fax machine in Downing Street.

One month ago:

David Davis rejects EU negotiations timetable

Now:

David Davis accepts EU negotiations timetable

Britain initially rejected this idea, saying it wanted to conduct trade and technical talks at the same time, but now appears to have admitted defeat and agreed to it in principle.

Expect to hear the term "admitted defeat" frequently over the next two years.

[darmstadt]

If course we do, very resourceful people we are.

Don't tell anyone but we used to have an empire that spanned the world.

Especially don't tell the Germans they have tried to conquer the world twice and keep screwing up.

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Yep, very impressive: https://www.whitehouseconsulting.co....son-Fox_rv.pdf

Brexit: Who will be the key negotiators for the UK and EU? - ITV News

And pray tell what have the Germans got to do with this, the UK is negotiating with the EU?

[SueEllen]

MPs act in what they think is the best interests of the people of their constituency. It that way, they represent the people. However, they do not have to do what the majority (or even a large minority) of the people in their constituency want. And usually they don't.

From that, you apparently draw the conclusion that "Parliament is the people", and sovereignty lies with "the people". Well, I can't help if you're incapable of thinking logically or analytically. So keep calm and carry on in your delusional world; I'm sure you find it comforting.

The reality is, however, that parliament, being sovereign, can, under law, do what the **** it likes and screw "the people". (Cue the usual - and again, delusional - shrill cry of "there'll be rioting in the streets if they do that").

One phrase that proves this is "Iraq war"

[BlasterBates]

Brexit U-Turn in full swing

Should make the negotiations go a lot smoother.

[jamesbrown]

Brexit U-Turn in full swing

Should make the negotiations go a lot smoother.

Meanwhile, they're hiring some rather expensive trade negotiators like Crawford Falconer. Sideshow Phil is in self-proclaimed "street-fighting" mode. The direction is being set by the concrete steps being taken. Incidentally, even Phil understands his limits. He continues to refer to the White Paper in public as the UK's negotiating position, while also referring to a "jobs-first" Brexit (code for continuity remain ). We all know what Phil wants, and he's going to make it very clear in the papers. Also, he's rather angry at the Maybot for all that pre-election briefing against him, and would like us to know this too. Unfortunately, he has a very poor record of getting what he wants .

[BlasterBates]

Meanwhile, they're hiring some rather expensive trade negotiators like Crawford Falconer. Sideshow Phil is in self-proclaimed "street-fighting" mode. The direction is being set by the concrete steps being taken. Incidentally, even Phil understands his limits. He continues to refer to the White Paper in public as the UK's negotiating position, while also referring to a "jobs-first" Brexit (code for continuity remain ). We all know what Phil wants, and he's going to make it very clear in the papers. Also, he's rather angry at the Maybot for all that pre-election briefing against him, and would like us to know this too. Unfortunately, he has a very poor record of getting what he wants .

The best negotiator in the world will still have great difficulty in trying to sell an Austin Princess.

At the end of 2 years there will a take it or leave it EU bucket of sickoffer on the table and the government will collapse.

[jamesbrown]

The best negotiator in the world will still have great difficulty in trying to sell an Austin Princess.

At the end of 2 years there will a take it or leave it EU bucket of sickoffer on the table and the government will collapse.

It's almost as though you're hoping for that outcome in order increase the probability of continuity remain. Either way, it's going to be super interesting as the EU charges inexorably towards the MFF. Gosh, I expect Germany and France are going to have to dig really deep next time. Alternatively, there may be a sensible agreement on a transition followed by an FTA, in line with the White Paper. Who knows? If the EU is engaged in one of its regular periods of introspection and insecurity, they may prefer to dig really deep. Afterall, they don't have a great record of acting in their own interests (unless "own" is defined as the bureaucracy).

[BlasterBates]

It's almost as though you're hoping for that outcome in order increase the probability of continuity remain. Either way, it's going to be super interesting as the EU charges inexorably towards the MFF. Gosh, I expect Germany and France are going to have to dig really deep next time. Alternatively, there may be a sensible agreement on a transition followed by an FTA, in line with the White Paper. Who knows? If the EU is engaged in one of its regular periods of introspection and insecurity, they may prefer to dig really deep. Afterall, they don't have a great record of acting in their own interests (unless "own" is defined as the bureaucracy).

There indeed will be a transition, a very long transition and there will indeed be a bucket of sickFTA, and to get a feel for what that FTA will look like, look no further than Switzerland. Incidentally Switzerland also negotiates its own trade deals. I doubt whether the Conservative government will complete the negotiations on the FTA, that will probably be a Labour government.