No To Retro Tax – Campaign Against Section 58 Finance Act 2008

[BrilloPad]

If we had a closed forum without discussing anything confidential on it, then why bother moving from here? Confidential things aren't discussed here either.
Im sure HMRC will be receiving all the newsletters and know exactly what is going on whatever we do.
I pay by DD and have made various one-off donations in the past...not as much as I'd like but something at least.
I don't see the value of closing this forum and moving somewhere else - if we win, the people who have never paid up will benefit anyway, whether they read all our posts or not.
I think the level of discussion on here is about right and will probably help people to a) find us and b) choose to join.
As someone pointed out, there are only about 500 people contributing our of the thousands who are affected. Some may not have found this thread yet. Some may be undecided if it's worth contributing (why bother if we are going to lose anyway [not my feelings]?). Some may only decide to contribute once they receive their APN's and are crapping themselves.....better late than never eh?

If we shut up shop and go somewhere else, we lose those potential members - if someone said to me "there is a secret organisation who are fighting this but they want £200 from you before you can even get a feel for them" then I would probably not bother - sounds a bit scammy to me...how do I know they are not just taking them money and laughing their heads off at mugs like me?

Far better to have this public face here, the regular newsletters and hints and whiffs and sniffs of their content in the forum that might intrigue fence sitters enough to join up.

Please stay!

I have already PMed someone today with advice I cannot give on forum. I would like to post this publicly - but would be immediately banned and reported to the police.

[BrilloPad]

We're not going anywhere yet... just debating it.

I'm glad the EBT'ers are getting organised. The only way to fight HMRC is in numbers.

Sorry my old friend. We will have to disagree on this one.

The NTRT campaign got nowhere. Lobbying is useless - unless you go for the f4j route. No appetite for that round here.

The only way is a legal fight. We are lucky that WG has not cleared off abroad.

All that NTRT can do is give moral support. And moral support is way better done on a closed forum.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

NTRT are no longer engaged in lobbying.

Since George tipped us off about his reduced settlement a year ago, all our efforts have been 100% on the legal side. That's why we obtained the Anne Redston QC opinion to gauge the strength of the new legal argument. As you all know, she rated it as greater than 75% in a tribunal. And she's a tribunal judge for god sake.

If that doesn't worry HMRC then they're dumber than I thought.

Personally I don't think HMRC have ever had any intention of settling. Issuing APNs before the Huitson FTT has even handed down a judgment is a clear signal that the time for talking has probably passed.

Onwards and upwards my friends.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Message from NTRT

APNs

HMRC are up to their bully boy tactics by issuing APNs when they know they do not apply.

More will be explained in the next newsletter.

Joining Fee

We are raising the minimum to £300.

We feel this is only fair to our existing members, many of whom have generously donated several times this amount over the last couple of years.

[eek]

APNs

HMRC are up to their bully boy tactics by issuing APNs when they know they do not apply.

More will be explained in the next newsletter.

Quick question, how do you appeal an APN when its issued in cases that don't apply? Is it just by judicial review or are there cheaper methods...

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Quick question, how do you appeal an APN when its issued in cases that don't apply? Is it just by judicial review or are there cheaper methods...

There is no right of appeal as such. You can make "representations" to HMRC on two grounds
1) the pre-conditions for issuing an APN have not been satisfied (notifiable arrangement and open enquiry/assessment etc)
2) the figures are wrong

HMRC get to decide.

After that, JR is the only recourse.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

NTRT joining fee increasing to £300 tonight

Get it for £200 while you can.

(God, I sound like one of those annoying sofa salespeople.)

[eek]

Get it for £200 while you can.

(God, I sound like one of those annoying sofa salespeople.)

Given that HMRC are sending dodgy APNs around you really should do so...

(Just being the other salesman in those annoying ads)..

[helen7]

Closed Forum

First of all I don't recall there being a vote between all MTM clients to make NTRT custodians of all things regarding section 58.

Anyone who wants to discuss there impending bankrupcy and get comfort / advice from people in the same postion must:

1. Pay for that privilege or give up there dignity and beg for free membership
2. Surrender there anonimity to a bunch of strangers

If anybody wants to go off and discuss elsewhere; by all means do so but this forums must remain exactly where it is.

I am not taking anything away from the NTRT group, but not everybody will agree with there strategy and actions.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

First of all I don't recall there being a vote between all MTM clients to make NTRT custodians of all things regarding section 58.

Anyone who wants to discuss there impending bankrupcy and get comfort / advice from people in the same postion must:

1. Pay for that privilege or give up there dignity and beg for free membership
2. Surrender there anonimity to a bunch of strangers

If anybody wants to go off and discuss elsewhere; by all means do so but this forums must remain exactly where it is.

I am not taking anything away from the NTRT group, but not everybody will agree with there strategy and actions.

There's a bit of a flaw with this. Virtually everyone who posts here is an NTRT member. If we all leave there won't be much of a forum.

I could make a sarcastic comment but I'll bite my tongue.