No To Retro Tax – Campaign Against Section 58 Finance Act 2008

[moggy]

What a top bloke. It's such a pity Labour has put us through all this cr@p in the first place (and IR35). It does go to show some MP's do actually have morals!

Thank you Mr Mills and Mr Hamilton!

its hardly surprising though, its easy to be for the cause when in opposition.. the tories did quite well at it and then failed to deliver on most of their promises - I am guessing most MP's would be the same. Especially if it causes trouble for the present govt.

[TAF4]

What a top bloke. It's such a pity Labour has put us through all this cr@p in the first place (and IR35). It does go to show some MP's do actually have morals!

Bear in mind he can afford to act on principals now he is in opposition. The true hero's are the Tory's that withstood the pressure from Gauke to back off.

Unfortunately my MP hasn't the backbone to even respond to my letters and emails lately.

[Emigre]

I listened to the transcript yesterday and obviously heard Fabian Hamilton speak, He is my MP and I have spoken to him about the situation on a number of occasions. I contacted him yesterday and here is the response I received and I quote:-

I was disappointed that we only got 5 minutesn to debate Nigel Mill's new clause 4 and its a shame there was not a division. What a shame that David Gauke trotted out the old Treasury line once again. We will try to raise the issue again on the floor of the House in Monday and Tuesday's debates at the Report Stage of the Bill.

Well done! Fabian Hamilton was one of the MPs that the NTRT team met in Westminster. He is absolutely against the principle of retrospective taxation under almost any circumstances. His comments to you are completely in line with what he told us.

Again, to balance expectations, it is very possible that we will get an airing in the Report Stage in the full House. However, as has been said before, if that is allowed to go to a vote and we lose, game over. At this time, we still do not have Government (aka Gauke) support for a review or any change, and so it would probably be too high a risk to allow any discussion to go to the vote next week.

Yes, we would all like to get it sorted now. However, this is a campaign that will be made up of several battles. We need to win the key battles to ensure that we are victorious in the war. The more times we can be uphill with the sun behind us the better.

We will be achieving a lot simply by getting our situation aired in the full house. It would be that point that all the constituency MPs that everyone has been writing to and meeting will have their say. They will suddenly realise that a few weeks ago they had one or more constituents in their sugery complaining about something that is now being discussed in the chamber. It should be their opportunity to be seen to be supporting a constituent. Anything that any of us has said to their MP could be regurgitated.

No one said this would be quick. It could be but it is very unlikely. It is simply the way that Whitehall works.

[BrilloPad]

You could accuse them of being two faced but I don't believe so.

I dont see how. They were misled by HMRC.

[nevergiveup]

When confronted with the impact of S58, most Labour MPs are appalled. They don't even try to defend their Government for introducing it. Even Alistair Darling has said this shouldn't have happened.

You could accuse them of being two faced but I don't believe so.

If HMRC/Treasury are counting on Labour to support S58 they can forget it.

To be honest DR, as you know I'm just grateful for the help no matter where it come from!

[the great escape]

The Ghost Afriyie

Hi escape, he is also my MP and has been remarkably quiet for someone so against retro tax. Ive now prodded him twice with zero response, might have to go camp out on St Leonards to make my point!!

Yes, it's quite mad really. I tried the HOC switch board last week and without any hesitation, they put me through. Naturally it went straight to his voice mail.

With the Report Stage going down on Monday & Tuesday next week, I am going to persevere this week regardless. I'm interested to know exactly which MPs are going to turn up for this reading. I would assume most. I guess we've got to, as part of 'NTRT-Windsor & Maidenhead Branch' a) determine if our man will be there or b)stress why he should be there.

The other option might be to see if he's pally with any other MPs that might already be engaged or supportive of our case. What luck if he was 'southern pals' with Jacob Rees-Mogg. What a result that would be. However this link might suggest otherwise... YouGov | Opigram | Adam Afriyie (Public Figure)
Actually the click to JRM's profile makes for interesting reading. He's obviously well connected.

Have you considered a personal meeting yourself?

[nevergiveup]

As a few people are having problems arranging a meeting with their MP's (including me), would it be possible for Whitehouse to knock up something which would get their attention, or could they even contact our MPs on our behalf?

[nolongerlurker]

Does anyone know -

There's a backlog of 40 years worth of cases in the tax courts.

What happens where someone 'in the HMRC queue' pops their clogs before the case goes to court - can Hector go gunning for any family members that have benefitted from the estate dispersal?

[helen7]

As a few people are having problems arranging a meeting with their MP's (including me), would it be possible for Whitehouse to knock up something which would get their attention, or could they even contact our MPs on our behalf?

+1.

My MP has not responded to my recent 3 letters (since sending me the standard Gauke response from Lin Homer).

He has no problem spamming me with urgent issues such as 'road closures' and litter.

[Emigre]

What happens where someone 'in the HMRC queue' pops their clogs before the case goes to court - can Hector go gunning for any family members that have benefitted from the estate dispersal?

Simple answer...YES. Longer answer...with a vengeance. However, not that executors of a will are not permitted to make any distributions until such time as all tax claims have been resolved. You can imagine the pressure that this would put on the executors to pay up and distribute to the beneficiaries. Best to leave death out of it, unless it happens to be HMRC.

Also, do not expect any "With Sympathy" cards from them.