Rally to abolish IR35

[Fred Bloggs]

I'm sorry, and I'm not provoking an argument with Mal but I'm afraid that I find it a touch naive of any group who start campaigning against something only to have it replaced with something that is far worse, as seems likely to me.

I have learned to live with IR35, my business would yield very little if I was caught by IR35 due to the way I have worked on mostly short duration contracts (and other things) since IR35 is assessed contract by contract. The investigation would be handled by QDOS for me so it would be hopefully fairly pain free. I don't want anything changed.

[malvolio]

I'm sorry, and I'm not provoking an argument with Mal but I'm afraid that I find it a touch naive of any group who start campaigning against something only to have it replaced with something that is far worse, as seems likely to me.

I have learned to live with IR35, my business would yield very little if I was caught by IR35 due to the way I have worked on mostly short duration contracts (and other things) since IR35 is assessed contract by contract. The investigation would be handled by QDOS for me so it would be hopefully fairly pain free. I don't want anything changed.

Would you be happier if IR35 didn't apply to people who are operating as genuine small businesses - i.e. through a LtdCo they control, VAT registered, possibly giving up various employee-type benefits - and leaving IR35 (or some later incarnation of it) to the Friday to Monday brigade and the brolly users?

Because if you wouldn't be, then you really don't understand the question.

[Fred Bloggs]

Ofcourse I would. However, I'm firmly in the "better the devil we know" camp right now. At the same time realise this is not going to happen. I seriously think we're heading for an Australian style 80% rule or NIC on dividends. Both would be terrible outcomes, IMHO.

[malvolio]

Ofcourse I would. However, I'm firmly in the "better the devil we know" camp right now. At the same time realise this is not going to happen. I seriously think we're heading for an Australian style 80% rule or NIC on dividends. Both would be terrible outcomes, IMHO.

Good job neither are likely to happen then, isn't it...

[Fred Bloggs]

Good job neither are likely to happen then, isn't it...

I sincerely hope you're right.

[lukemg]

It's unfair, unclear and doesn't even do the job it was designed for. Time to offer a solution.
Option 1 - 2 year rule, as for expenses, after 2 years your are perm and you know you are - cough.
Option 2 - 20% expenses, cough on the rest. Perm benefits are worth at least 25-50% on top of salary, this evens things a little but is still very generous from us.
Simples.

[escapeUK]

It's unfair, unclear and doesn't even do the job it was designed for. this evens things a little but is still very generous from us.
Simples.

Im not looking to be generous to a government that wastes every penny it steals from me.

[malvolio]

First though....

Persuade me that "something" needs to be done in the first place. I run a legitimate UK Limited company, providing a service to a range of clients. Why can't I simply be allowed to get on with it?

[thunderlizard]

It's unfair, unclear and doesn't even do the job it was designed for. Time to offer a solution.
Option 1 - 2 year rule, as for expenses, after 2 years your are perm and you know you are - cough.
Option 2 - 20% expenses, cough on the rest. Perm benefits are worth at least 25-50% on top of salary, this evens things a little but is still very generous from us.
Simples.

If those rules applied to all companies, rather than just small ones, that would be fine by me.

[Moscow Mule]

First though....

Persuade me that "something" needs to be done in the first place. I run a legitimate UK Limited company, providing a service to a range of clients. Why can't I simply be allowed to get on with it?

You can.

What happens if you get a client who wants you to do desktop support on a shift basis 100% of the time for the next 2 years?

Because that what a lot of contractors do...