Training paid for by myself vs project improvements due to training

[dsc]

Sorry, another training related question.

Currently I'm doing a 3-day training on a software package I've been using for a client, it's mostly delving into detailed usage scenarios and covering best practices. Plan was to do it properly ie. pay for it via my own ltd. and not invoice the client for the time. Turns out that some time in the training is spent analysing a project done in this particular package, a project that I've done work on for the client (it was a team effort though not just my work). In a way I could argue that whatever I learn here in terms of best practices would get applied to the project thus making it better, thus benefitting the client, so theoretically invoicable as well? On the other hand there's two client permies here as well, so they can say the same thing.

Don't want to be a greedy bastard, but trying to assess this fairly. Any suggestions whether I should bill them for some hours or just stop being silly / greedy.

[WTFH]

Sorry, another training related question.

Currently I'm doing a 3-day training on a software package I've been using for a client, it's mostly delving into detailed usage scenarios and covering best practices. Plan was to do it properly ie. pay for it via my own ltd. and not invoice the client for the time. Turns out that some time in the training is spent analysing a project done in this particular package, a project that I've done work on for the client (it was a team effort though not just my work). In a way I could argue that whatever I learn here in terms of best practices would get applied to the project thus making it better, thus benefitting the client, so theoretically invoicable as well? On the other hand there's two client permies here as well, so they can say the same thing.

Don't want to be a greedy bastard, but trying to assess this fairly. Any suggestions whether I should bill them for some hours or just stop being silly / greedy.

Your company pays for it. If it's something you can use on other clients then great. If you get the client to pay for it, then what's the difference between you and their permies?

[northernladuk]

Edited. Didn't read the last bit of the post properly. What WTFH says. Sounds like you are tying to convince yourself you can pass it on to the client when really you know you shouldn't.

[Paralytic]

Sorry, another training related question.

Currently I'm doing a 3-day training on a software package I've been using for a client, it's mostly delving into detailed usage scenarios and covering best practices. Plan was to do it properly ie. pay for it via my own ltd. and not invoice the client for the time. Turns out that some time in the training is spent analysing a project done in this particular package, a project that I've done work on for the client (it was a team effort though not just my work). In a way I could argue that whatever I learn here in terms of best practices would get applied to the project thus making it better, thus benefitting the client, so theoretically invoicable as well? On the other hand there's two client permies here as well, so they can say the same thing.

Don't want to be a greedy bastard, but trying to assess this fairly. Any suggestions whether I should bill them for some hours or just stop being silly / greedy.

If you truly believe that (bold bit above), then reflect that by increasing the day rate you charge your client, not by trying to charge the client for your own personal training.

Doing that will tell you whether your client also believes the training is worth the money.

[GhostofTarbera]

Pass to the client - you will be paye soon amyway


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[dsc]

Edited. Didn't read the last bit of the post properly. What WTFH says. Sounds like you are tying to convince yourself you can pass it on to the client when really you know you shouldn't.

Exactly that. I'll cough up the monies and carry on invoicing, if I get an extension I'll have an argument to up the rate.

Thanks for all the replies.