Is convicted ex accountant Darren Upton practicing?

[mudskipper]

Maybe someone could point Darren Roberts in the direction of this thread and ask him to get in touch with admin?

I agree - this thread is harming his business. It needs putting to bed for once and for all.

[cojak]

Indeed. Anyone who is a long standing member is totally mad and not to be trusted. Having met SimonMac IRL it just confirms it.

Maybe someone could point Darren Roberts in the direction of this thread and ask him to get in touch with admin?

No. SimonMac states that has has met Mr Roberts - he had not met Mr Upton.

I agree - this thread is harming his business. It needs putting to bed for once and for all.

Admin already is and has invited him to do just that.

We await his response...

[northernladuk]

That is all we needed - someone we trust who has actually met the chap.

We we've seen his arse as well.

[GreenMirror]

No. SimonMac states that has has met Mr Roberts - he had not met Mr Upton.

I didn't say he had not.

[cojak]

I didn't say he had not.

You didn’t. My mistake - sorry about that.

[Nigel Miller]

Hi Nigel,
I know this is your first post but you might want to consider..
- libel laws
- public forums in the context of libel laws
- evidence to prove assertions
- ability to use anonymous posting on a forum that allows it

That’s all.
HTH

Lance.

It's not libel if it's true.

[malvolio]

It's not libel if it's true.

But you have to be able to prove it.

Has it crossed your mind to look at his LinkedIn profile? Got a 25 year employment history on there. Of course, he could have made it all up...

[Lance]

I know this is my first post and you have no reason to believe me but I had a meeting with Darren Roberts last week - it's Darren Upton.

I can't provide any proof but there's a reason his LinkedIn page shows a cartoon and despite him being the boss he's not listed as a director at present. I didn't ask about his train set.

It's not libel if it's true.

Nigel Miller has missed the point, and doesn't understand libel.


Sue me...

[WordIsBond]

Fact: It's not libel if it is true.

Also fact: The burden of proof in English law for libel cases is on the defendant. In other words, if you publish a defamatory statement you'd better be able to prove it is true.

Also fact: Nigel has made a statement which could be damaging to the business of the person involved, and has said he can't prove it. That means he would lose a libel case unless he were later able to come up with evidence that the statement is, in fact, true.

Worth considering: CUK has allowed a statement to be made on their site which, on its face, would appear to be libel (since the person making it has said they can't prove it). They have not taken it down. The subject of the statement could request that they take it down (if it is not true and he can prove it), and they would have to remove it. Therefore, the subject of the statement has not made such a request.

My conclusion: Darren Roberts either is Darren Upton or he doesn't know about the allegation (but he's stopped posting here) or he doesn't care enough about the allegation to take action to make CUK take the allegation down (in which case it must not really be hurting his business).

I also note that he was at Dynamo, who claim to be "fully accredited accountancy affiliates" of IPSE. If they had Darren Upton on staff they owe IPSE an explanation and IPSE could legitimately be asking them the same question this thread has asked. Seems they value their relationship with IPSE and hiring Mr Upton would likely have been seen as jeopardising that relationship. So seems doubtful they'd have done that.

[Invisiblehand]

He used to post all the time and seemed to be picking up some good business from it.

He seemed to stop as soon as this allegation was made which does not look good at all. Whether or not it is harming his current busines you would have thought he'd want to put the record straight.