No To Retro Tax - Ongoing battle against S58 FA2008

[Fireship]

If you’re completing the TAA application and concerned that you may not have all the CNs or assessments you need, please contact HMRC rather than Montpelier for them in the first instance. As long as your application is logged (you will receive an email to confirm this) we will wait until you have the papers. We will send the appeals in a series of batches, so if you don’t make the first batch you will be included in a later one.

Maybe it would be possible to email the documents direct to John to speed up the process and so we know they've arrived?

[lucozade]

Yes, I've already tried Montpelier and they gave me short change due to APN priorities. So I replied back and told them that 1) I really need these and 2) expect a good few other peeps with similar requests.

No reply yet but initial reply was a bit unsympathetic.

Yip same for me. I actually never received any closure notices it all went to MP.

I did ask HMRC for copies but can never remember if I received them.

[GripRacing]

I think we can all bank on 2 outcomes

1. HMRC negotiate a settlement
2. HMRC find some way to screw us

I don't expect this would even go to a FTT. HMRC could never risk losing in court a decision like this. It would be devastating for them.

It's in everyone's interest (HMRC and Us) to get settlement negotiations underway now and stop giving hundreds of thousands of pounds to lawyers.

How we all agree on an acceptable number is the tough one! A lot of people would be happy for pre 2008 interest to be taken off, but others will stop at nothing but zero.

So Helen,

You signed up then?

Grip

[BolshieBastard]

Sorry, another question on documents to forward; What constitutes a Closure Notice from them twats?

Is it headed Closure Notice or something else?

Apologies if this is mentioned somewhere in previous threads but I cant stomach looking through 2 threads of over 170 pages on the off chance it is!

[MMSguru]

1. HMRC negotiate a settlement

HMRC have had plenty of time if they wanted to discuss a settlement. They are not interested. So we press on to the first-tier tax tribunal with a strong [75%] expert opinion from Anne Redston.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Only need 20 more to sign-up.

13 to go.

[normalbloke]

I'm in

Signed up, docs about to be posted, first payment made and SO set up for the rest. Let's do it.

[bananarepublic]

HMRC have had plenty of time if they wanted to discuss a settlement. They are not interested. So we press on to the first-tier tax tribunal with a strong [75%] expert opinion from Anne Redston.

Who knows what they are thinking? Why take us seriously when the finance to fight an FTT was not in place? They thought intimidation would dissuade us from trying. Well that didn't work, if anything it allowed the TAA argument to be honed. The situation is about to change. As has been mentioned previously they would be nuts to fight us on the substance of the TAA argument because it would pretty much undermine their general stance on employment status disputes. Which leads me to suspect they will either fold before the FTT or if not they will try something nobody has anticipated.

[akan]

Docs Questions

Rifled through all the documentation over the years - what exactly are closure notices (dumb question?). I have received so many depressing and threatening letters about and have a large folder of documents. Is it a stack of documents with

"Information about our check on your Self Assessment Tax Return - year ended 5 April 200X"?

I have four sets of this with assumed calculations and a large amount I allegedly owe - is this the stack I need to send to CCW? I can't find anything that says 'Closure Notice'

[akan]

Paid Up

Registered and paid up! - Thanks all. Just need to find out what documents are actually required. I must admit I am very poor with doc management. Also as the docs are so manically depressing I always have avoided to do it when I can.

I thank everyone on the forum for providing help and support for what has been a torrid decade and more. Special thanks to Donkey and the NTRT team - will surely buy you a beer and then some for all your hard work and support when this sorry state of depressingly unfair of affairs is over.