Originally posted by cojak
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It looks like First Umbrella have accepted that their kick back scheme with Allen Lane is somewhere between horrendous and illegal as they have just cancelled it and are going to pay me full rate from now on. Thanks to everyone on here for your great advice.
I am obvs happy to be getting the extra money but think there are still questions to be answered here, like why First Umbrella thought this was ok until last week and now have decided it is not. And whether this is just a short term reprieve until they come up with a new scam scheme.
But don't want to upset things now I have a £150 a week payrise. And by the time they bring in a new scheme I should be in a new contract.Comment
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Originally posted by force11 View PostIt looks like First Umbrella have accepted that their kick back scheme with Allen Lane is somewhere between horrendous and illegal as they have just cancelled it and are going to pay me full rate from now on. Thanks to everyone on here for your great advice.
I am obvs happy to be getting the extra money but think there are still questions to be answered here, like why First Umbrella thought this was ok until last week and now have decided it is not. And whether this is just a short term reprieve until they come up with a new scam scheme.
But don't want to upset things now I have a £150 a week payrise. And by the time they bring in a new scheme I should be in a new contract.
You may not want to ask that question now but I would definitely keep it in the back pocket for the day after your final invoice is paid....merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostSo given the fact they know its wrong and given that they (probably) haven't changed your contract will they be paying you that £30 for all the days it was illegally deducted.
You may not want to ask that question now but I would definitely keep it in the back pocket for the day after your final invoice is paid....Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Thanks - I agree. When the contract ends, I will look into legal action against the umbrella for the dodgy deductions.
And then never work with First Umbrella again.Comment
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Originally posted by moggy View Postwhy wait for the contract to end?Comment
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Originally posted by cojak View PostHere it is:
Horses mouth here: The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003 No. 3319
This is actually a bit of a maze. The original legislation is tucked away in section 6(1) Employment Agencies Act 1973.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...9730035_en.pdf
BUT HERE'S THE KICKER FOR UNSCRUPULOUS AGENCIES.
They CAN charge for other services such as CV writing, portfolio preparation, training and the like.
So be careful how you meet them or have them 'review' your CV or offer you advice.
This is an excellent translation of the regs:
http://www.bis.gov.uk/files/file24248.pdf
(PS. The TUC got it wrong, only photographic and modelling agencies are now included in the Regs, other media agencies are still out.)
Note the bold bit at the bottom..
You seem knowledgable about this issue. This is the reply I got from the dept. of business when I told them about this act.
"Umbrella companies are not covered by the above legislation, and as such we cannot look into the issue of them deducting £150 per week. However, it may help if I provide you with some background on how umbrella companies operate. If you are employed by an umbrella company, any money paid to them by an employment business becomes the umbrella company’s income. From that they deduct any statutory deduction, such as employers NI and the Apprenticeship Levy. The remainder is then treated as your income, from which statutory deductions are made as well as any fee that they charge for processing pay."
Do they have a point or are they just fobbing me off? Looks like Allen Lane have found a loop hole to rip people off in a legal way huh?
@force11 have you had any luck with your complaint? I've hit a brick wall. Trying to decide who else I can complain to.Last edited by kristen330; 27 August 2017, 21:52.Comment
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Originally posted by force11 View PostIt looks like First Umbrella have accepted that their kick back scheme with Allen Lane is somewhere between horrendous and illegal as they have just cancelled it and are going to pay me full rate from now on. Thanks to everyone on here for your great advice.
I am obvs happy to be getting the extra money but think there are still questions to be answered here, like why First Umbrella thought this was ok until last week and now have decided it is not. And whether this is just a short term reprieve until they come up with a new scam scheme.
But don't want to upset things now I have a £150 a week payrise. And by the time they bring in a new scheme I should be in a new contract.Comment
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