The PS, IR35 and GCloud

[northernladuk]

How do you know about the cut off dates Eek?

My idea is to set up shop with a bunch of ex DWP contractors as a supplier but I have no clue how easy/hard this is going to be.

You and every third contractor that doesn't really know has this idea. A bunch of contractor a good supplier does not make. Getting on the frameworks is the least of your problems. You need to think about your business model and offerings. They will not swap you all to a supplier as that is not how they want to engage you and do you think the other contractors will hang around while you win some business. Your model won't get around the new legislation either as you'll still be supplying personal services.... So many things you need to consider first.

The frameworks are very complex and just having to ask this shows you aren't understanding or researching it.

[nucastle]

What is different to a bunch of contractors setting up shop, compared to a small/medium/large consultancy winning tenders and then getting recruiters to back fill positions?

Having worked there and seeing how they operate, i don't see how the 'unique offering' would fit around their model of building their own teams.

And thanks for confirming that I don't have a clue. How about helping me get one

[eek]

Google is your friend - sadly don't have the time to help others as I currently don't really have enough time to do what I need to do.

Digital outcomes is open for registration search for it and start filling the form in...

One thing to remember is that there is a big change between coming in as a member of staff and coming in to provide a complete solution. Previously you had cover if something wasn't done, as the supplier you need to supply - failing to delivery can't be blamed on others....

[northernladuk]

What is different to a bunch of contractors setting up shop, compared to a small/medium/large consultancy winning tenders and then getting recruiters to back fill positions?

Honestly... if you don't know the answer to this then you really are on the back foot.

[northernladuk]

Google is your friend - sadly don't have the time to help others as I currently don't really have enough time to do what I need to do.

Digital outcomes is open for registration search for it and start filling the form in...

One thing to remember is that there is a big change between coming in as a member of staff and coming in to provide a complete solution. Previously you had cover if something wasn't done, as the supplier you need to supply - failing to delivery can't be blamed on others....

Digital outcomes isn't the silver bullet out of all this mess though is it. Some of the guys here are swanning around telling other they are on it and they are alright now. I despair.

[SueEllen]

How do you know about the cut off dates Eek?

Because it states so on the site.

[SueEllen]

Google is your friend - sadly don't have the time to help others as I currently don't really have enough time to do what I need to do.

If you are not able to competently use a search engine at this point in your career then you have serious issues.

[eek]

Digital outcomes isn't the silver bullet out of all this mess though is it. Some of the guys here are swanning around telling other they are on it and they are alright now. I despair.

Digital outcomes seems to be being abused by some departments though (looking at one in Swansea in particular). To be honest I'm not looking at it in detail as I'm not likely to be trying to use it in the next year or so. I've registered however as things may change...

[nucastle]

You know, its entirely possible to come up with answers other than 'go use a search engine' or variations on 'you are stupid, aren't you'.

I am genuinely interested in what the special sauce is that these mythical suppliers are doing, which I've obviously in my incredibly non educated state, have utterly FAILED to see, and obviously if I don't already know right now then I've utterly wasted my life.

Every contractor I know there on a framework, is placed their by an agent who is there by virtue of the fact that a supplier has won some work, and needs a contractor to do it. In nearly every case the supplier has ZERO involvement with the contractor other than invoices and skimming their profit margin.

Now this is not what I'm saying i'm interested in doing, but just what is it that they 'get' and me and every third contractor 'doesnt'.

Every open opportunity on the outcomes and specialists site is to supply bums on seats, so what is so unique here?

[eek]

You know, its entirely possible to come up with answers other than 'go use a search engine' or variations on 'you are stupid, aren't you'.

I am genuinely interested in what the special sauce is that these mythical suppliers are doing, which I've obviously in my incredibly non educated state, have utterly FAILED to see, and obviously if I don't already know right now then I've utterly wasted my life.

Every contractor I know there on a framework, is placed their by an agent who is there by virtue of the fact that a supplier has won some work, and needs a contractor to do it. In nearly every case the supplier has ZERO involvement with the contractor other than invoices and skimming their profit margin.

Now this is not what I'm saying i'm interested in doing, but just what is it that they 'get' and me and every third contractor 'doesnt'.

Every open opportunity on the outcomes and specialists site is to supply bums on seats, so what is so unique here?

The special sauce is simple. You go and search the jobs listed on the framework yourself and you write the proposal to win the work... Those who are on the framework will get a chance to win the work, those who are used to using agencies and continue to do so will not be able to take those roles that are on the digital outcomes framework...

It's the difference between being a contractor (or super expensive temp come April) and being a business. To avoid becoming a temporary resource you need to act like a business and that means seeking work (heck the frameworks make it easy to see what work is coming up) and being fully responsible for deliverying it..