Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[malvolio]

Oh dear .....you do talk twaddle!

You have made statements and when I ask you cannot back them up. (I won't waste time in the professional forum digging out your quotes about this).

That Sir, speaks volumes.

You are missing the point. HMRCs view is not correct...but that doesn't matter. They have been clear about what they want and their point of view. You seem to think logic and justice will prevail.....

OK, fine, that's your opinion. It's not mine, nor a lot of other people's. HMRC's view won't change unless someone persuades their masters that they are wrong. There are a lot of major players trying to do that right now.

There is also something slightly off in asking for answers to questions, getting informed answers, then challenging them because you don't like them and CBA to find out for yourself. But hey, let's leave it there, shall we.

[youngguy]

....There are a lot of major players trying to do that right now.

There is also something slightly off in asking for answers to questions, getting informed answers, then challenging them because you don't like them and CBA to find out for yourself. But hey, let's leave it there, shall we.

Again - you mention major players but don't cite them.

You mention a working model but don't say where it is.

You mention big talks behind closed doors and have no evidence to share....wink wink

You say you have an informed answer but won't share where the information is...

You then say I can't be bothered to find out. I tell you to point me to it and suddenly you have nothing but childish comments.

Yes let's leave it there....this is increasingly like listening to some crazy old guy with a monologue sat on his own in a pub, rather than sharing of information and discussion.

[nucastle]

Does any of all that even matter thought? Back office discussions and murmurings aside, HMRC have confirmed the changes going ahead and will make their online calculator available in the Autumn.

The only people with any clout in this whole debacle will be the IT service providers who will be rubbing their hands with glee about the increased revenue. Who is actually going to dip in and save this before April next year?

As far as we know it's a done deal.

[eek]

I'm just regarding it as a test on how good or not IPSE actually are when it comes to lobbying...

[teapot418]

I'm just regarding it as a test on how good or not IPSE actually are when it comes to lobbying...

They're getting the chance to make their case at the highest levels

https://www.ipse.co.uk/news/ipse-del...prime-minister

[LondonManc]

OK, fine, that's your opinion. It's not mine, nor a lot of other people's. HMRC's view won't change unless someone persuades their masters that they are wrong. There are a lot of major players trying to do that right now.

There is also something slightly off in asking for answers to questions, getting informed answers, then challenging them because you don't like them and CBA to find out for yourself. But hey, let's leave it there, shall we.

The problem is that many managers are empire builders. You simplify the process and you no longer need an emperor....

[youngguy]

They're getting the chance to make their case at the highest levels

https://www.ipse.co.uk/news/ipse-del...prime-minister

Let's hope their plans for taxation are not anything like their FLC idea!

[DotasScandal]

The HMRC divide and conquer is quite clever. Private contractors don't care about the changes right now

Clever? It's the same methods they've been using for decades. Simply playing the selfishness and short-sightedness of contractors (which is not in short supply).
"First they came for PS contractors, and I said nothing, cause I was not a PS contractor"... etc etc.
Boiled frogs also come to mind.

[missinggreenfields]

Again - you mention major players but don't cite them.

REC, CBI, IPSE, FSB, plus accountancy bodies as well will be engaging with HMRC at the moment and responding to the consultation.

HTH

[malvolio]

Let's hope their plans for taxation are not anything like their FLC idea!

See. You have been paying attention.

If our normal business model is going to be totally f***ed, then the FLC is a possible way forward since it relies on you operating as a business and so avoids all this pseudo-IR35 nonsense. But I'm not going to get back into that argument again.