Public sector IR35 consultation launched

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TBH, given some of the comments on the article, I think these perceptions are down to contractors themselves, who flash the cash, say "I'll expense it" and generally boast about how little tax they pay. It's a small minority, but while people do behave like that, those who work with them (and possibly know the day rates) are going to think everyone is taking the mickey.

To a very little extent, the comments actually are more those of jealousy and greed... For many people its fine for people to be self employed if they earn less than you, awful and should be stopped if they earn more than you....

[youngguy]

TBH, given some of the comments on the article, I think these perceptions are down to contractors themselves, who flash the cash, say "I'll expense it" and generally boast about how little tax they pay. It's a small minority, but while people do behave like that, those who work with them (and possibly know the day rates) are going to think everyone is taking the mickey.

Quite. It reminds me of the days when I saw contractors with custom paint jobs for their Porsche's.....they were the same ones who off shored and then panicked when corp tax was due as they'd spent everything in their account.

There will always be an element of stupidity and rule breaking in any system and it is quick to judge when all you hear is the Gov's version.

Of those 'citizens' I have spoken to, most don't realise the responsibility we have in relation to running a company,insurances, pension and THE RISK. When you explain the full spectrum they at least get all the information and can then take a balanced and informed view. What they see is not the full story.

[youngguy]

To a very little extent, the comments actually are more those of jealousy and greed... For many people its fine for people to be self employed if they earn less than you, awful and should be stopped if they earn more than you....

Agree. The most common response I give (politely) when permies bitch about my fee etc is "come join the party". I follow up with the fact that will have costs,risk, no holidays training, etc etc. They soon scuttle back to their desk for a cup of tea and log their hours in their flexible working time sheet

Fact is, they want to have their cake and eat it......kind like the Gov with taxing us as employees but giving us no rights!

[teapot418]

If this PS nonsense comes in, it's going to be boom for brollies - agencies aren't going to want the hassle of payroll, so they will insist that the contractor uses a brolly. I wonder if our brolly friends responded to the consultation.

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Just sent what's going to be my default response for CLone contracts from now on

Sadly I won't be applying for the role. A colleague pointed me at the following consultation
https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...es-legislation
which alongside the statement that CLone contracts are subject to Direction and Control as specified in the latest version of
http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20Generic.pdf means that it currently makes sense to only look for work outside the public sector.

[eek]

Just sent what's going to be my default response for CLone contracts from now on

Sadly I won't be applying for the role. A colleague pointed me at the following consultation
https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...es-legislation
which alongside the statement that CLone contracts are subject to Direction and Control as specified in the latest version of
http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20Generic.pdf means that it currently makes sense to only look for work outside the public sector.

And a very nice response from the Agent accepting my decision and stating that he feels that if they want to treat people like employees they will need to employ them as employees.

[LondonManc]

And a very nice response from the Agent accepting my decision and stating that he feels that if they want to treat people like employees they will need to employ them as employees.

Thought you might have also gone with "or my day rate to reflect the status of the contract is £xxxx" to see the reaction

[Hobosapien]

Don't many of the larger agencies already deal with temps that are employed and paid by them, so will already have all the PAYE stuff in place to add PS contractors onto for next year?

So this will impact the smaller agencies that either don't have or don't want that ability, depending how much upheaval/cost it will have on them to implement.

If the above is in any way on the right lines then the new legislation could be seen as a pincer movement by consultancies and big agencies to corner the market, aided by the govermin after the lobbying of appropriate MPs to give them the unfair advantage.

No need for brollies either if the agency takes that role.

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Thought you might have also gone with "or my day rate to reflect the status of the contract is £xxxx" to see the reaction

To be honest the statement of under supervision direction and control by a civil servant is enough to put me off for good.

If you are going to treat me as a member of staff go and find a member of staff. If you want the specialist who would keep that system going for the next 21 months employ me as the specialist and leave me to it..

The fact the CLone document now explicitly states you are under SDC means I would seriously recommend avoiding anything to do with CLone even without the proposed changes...

[malvolio]

To be honest the statement of under supervision direction and control by a civil servant is enough to put me off for good.

If you are going to treat me as a member of staff go and find a member of staff. If you want the specialist who would keep that system going for the next 21 months employ me as the specialist and leave me to it..

The fact the CLone document now explicitly states you are under SDC means I would seriously recommend avoiding anything to do with CLone even without the proposed changes...

It's not CLOne, it's all PS recruitment if you can't get in as a B2B supplier.