Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[eek]

It's not CLOne, it's all PS recruitment if you can't get in as a B2B supplier.

True but that I was only discussing an element of it.

There is an explicit change in the July 2016 version of http://ccs-agreements.cabinetoffice....%20Generic.pdf which means CLone contracts are definitely going to be inside IR35 I would not be able to argue SDC.

The point is that another duck has been carefully added to the row....

[LondonManc]

To be honest the statement of under supervision direction and control by a civil servant is enough to put me off for good.

If you are going to treat me as a member of staff go and find a member of staff. If you want the specialist who would keep that system going for the next 21 months employ me as the specialist and leave me to it..

The fact the CLone document now explicitly states you are under SDC means I would seriously recommend avoiding anything to do with CLone even without the proposed changes...

Haha, fair enough. Everyone has a limit I guess.

CLone - is that a PS department? I've never done PS contracting - came close but they wanted to pay what turned out to be about my old perm rate as a day rate.

[eek]

Haha, fair enough. Everyone has a limit I guess.

CLone - is that a PS department? I've never done PS contracting - came close but they wanted to pay what turned out to be about my old perm rate as a day rate.

CLone is a shortcut for Contingent Labour one which is the framework under which crapita provide

• Interim Managers
• Specialist Contractors
• Administration and Clerical Workers
• Operational Workers

to central government departments and others..

[northernladuk]

CLone is a shortcut for Contingent Labour one which is the framework under which crapita provide

• Interim Managers
• Specialist Contractors
• Administration and Clerical Workers
• Operational Workers

to central government departments and others..

Not all of them use Capita though.

[nucastle]

A few of my contractor colleagues here are via Cap Gemini and then through an agent, skipping Capita entirely.

My engagement is via Capita, then a boutique software house and then my contract is with the software house.

So we all do the same job, but the ENGAGEMENT (thanks SueEllen) route is different.

interestingly that document seems to suggest that IT/Technology roles do not come under CL1, or am I reading that incorrectly?

[SueEllen]

A few of my contractor colleagues here are via Cap Gemini and then through an agent, skipping Capita entirely.

My engagement is via Capita, then a boutique software house and then my contract is with the software house.

So we all do the same job, but the employment route is different.

interestingly that document seems to suggest that IT/Technology roles do not come under CL1, or am I reading that incorrectly?

So you admit you are a disguised employee and should be paying the right amount of tax under IR35?

[eek]

A few of my contractor colleagues here are via Cap Gemini and then through an agent, skipping Capita entirely.

My engagement is via Capita, then a boutique software house and then my contract is with the software house.

So we all do the same job, but the employment route is different.

interestingly that document seems to suggest that IT/Technology roles do not come under CL1, or am I reading that incorrectly?

I think it would depend on how the role is being specified and delivered as the document has a flow chart showing how people should be hired...

As these roles are being hired via CLone they are being treated as Specialists Consultants rather than technical people. One issue is how do you staff a transformation project once the initial system has been delivered (follow that flowchart and you see where you end up)...

In other news just told two other agents the news why I'm not interested - I added the new rate but it doesn't seem to have made any difference.

Given that I'm probably the number 1 choice for this role (skillset, location and then past knowledge of the project) how many more agents do you think I'll need to reply to...

[nucastle]

So you admit you are a disguised employee and should be paying the right amount of tax under IR35?

I see what you did there.

10/10

[youngguy]

I think it would depend on how the role is being specified and delivered as the document has a flow chart showing how people should be hired...

As these roles are being hired via CLone they are being treated as Specialists Consultants rather than technical people. One issue is how do you staff a transformation project once the initial system has been delivered (follow that flowchart and you see where you end up)...

In other news just told two other agents the news why I'm not interested - I added the new rate but it doesn't seem to have made any difference.

Given that I'm probably the number 1 choice for this role (skillset, location and then past knowledge of the project) how many more agents do you think I'll need to reply to...

Sweepstake time!

I sort of feel sorry for the dept. They just want someone who can do the job (ie you) but will have to settle for whoever is willing to work under the new terms which will be caught contractually

[LondonManc]

Sweepstake time!

I sort of feel sorry for the dept. They just want someone who can do the job (ie you) but will have to settle for whoever is willing to work under the new terms which will be caught contractually

You'll get BoS contractors blindly accepting it then having a heart attack after they get their first payment through.