Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[eek]

If it's local and the rate's okay, inside IR35 for a role isn't the end of the world, especially if you can badge it up as something different to what you normally do.

You don't know the end client do you - let me just say that out of the 32 contractors who used to be there only 2 remain.... You really don't want to work there especially for what they are paying...

[SussexSeagull]

You don't know the end client do you - let me just say that out of the 32 contractors who used to be there only 2 remain.... You really don't want to work there especially for what they are paying...

Hope this is ok to link to:

Test Analyst (manual and automation)

[LondonManc]

You don't know the end client do you - let me just say that out of the 32 contractors who used to be there only 2 remain.... You really don't want to work there especially for what they are paying...

No I don't; I was speaking more generally based on the information provided. Lovely part of the world but inside IR35 on that rate? Stuff that, it's too cold to stay in a tent or caravan at this time of year.

[MrMarkyMark]

No I don't; I was speaking more generally based on the information provided. Lovely part of the world but inside IR35 on that rate? Stuff that, it's too cold to stay in a tent or caravan at this time of year.

Also they will require you to opt inside ir35.

Oh........and seemingly you can now opt in to IR35

[DaveB]

After Uber, Deliveroo.

Looks like there is a snowball gathering pace.

Deliveroo riders seek to unionise and gain workers' rights - BBC News

[eek]

After Uber, Deliveroo.

Looks like there is a snowball gathering pace.

Deliveroo riders seek to unionise and gain workers' rights - BBC News

I'm not sure deliveroo would have been GMB's poster boy if it had started before uber did , I don't think its got a long term future.

Deliveroo is in a far worse position than uber, it's based in London trying to make money in a world where it's competition is just eat and hungry horse. To say it's screwed unless it pays per piece is an understatement, personally I don't think it's business model is valid even if it's allowed to just pay workers per delivery.

Edit to add - I discussed this with some people in the US a while ago and one of Deliveroo's investors was shocked when I stated that their competitors were Just Eat and Hungry Horse. They had been told this was a unique offering in the UK following the example of Seamless and Caviar in the States.

[MrMarkyMark]

I'm not sure deliveroo would have been GMB's poster boy if it had started before uber did , I don't think its got a long term future.

Deliveroo is in a far worse position than uber, it's based in London trying to make money in a world where it's competition is just eat and hungry horse. To say it's screwed unless it pays per piece is an understatement, personally I don't think it's business model is valid even if it's allowed to just pay workers per delivery.

Edit to add - I discussed this with some people in the US a while ago and one of Deliveroo's investors was shocked when I stated that their competitors were Just Eat and Hungry Horse. They had been told this was a unique offering in the UK following the example of Seamless and Caviar in the States.

True and TBH you get a far better delivery service if you actually get to know the guys that run the restaurants, obviously tipping the driver often brings dividends too.

[DaveB]

I'm not sure deliveroo would have been GMB's poster boy if it had started before uber did , I don't think its got a long term future.

Deliveroo is in a far worse position than uber, it's based in London trying to make money in a world where it's competition is just eat and hungry horse. To say it's screwed unless it pays per piece is an understatement, personally I don't think it's business model is valid even if it's allowed to just pay workers per delivery.

Edit to add - I discussed this with some people in the US a while ago and one of Deliveroo's investors was shocked when I stated that their competitors were Just Eat and Hungry Horse. They had been told this was a unique offering in the UK following the example of Seamless and Caviar in the States.

Probably not, but that doesn't matter. The point is that after the Uber win, we are likely to see a lot more of these coming out of the woodwork. It's good for us because these cases are making a clear distinction between disguised employment arising from poor employer practices and people who are genuinely in business on their own account. It's also reinforcing the notion that employers who take on "freelancers" in this way and subject them to SDC are going to have to provide the associated benefits of employment.

[MrMarkyMark]

Probably not, but that doesn't matter. The point is that after the Uber win, we are likely to see a lot more of these coming out of the woodwork. It's good for us because these cases are making a clear distinction between disguised employment arising from poor employer practices and people who are genuinely in business on their own account. It's also reinforcing the notion that employers who take on "freelancers" in this way and subject them to SDC are going to have to provide the associated benefits of employment.

TBH, the timing of all this is pure gold, you really couldn't make it up

[LondonManc]

I'm not sure deliveroo would have been GMB's poster boy if it had started before uber did , I don't think its got a long term future.

Deliveroo is in a far worse position than uber, it's based in London trying to make money in a world where it's competition is just eat and hungry horse. To say it's screwed unless it pays per piece is an understatement, personally I don't think it's business model is valid even if it's allowed to just pay workers per delivery.

Edit to add - I discussed this with some people in the US a while ago and one of Deliveroo's investors was shocked when I stated that their competitors were Just Eat and Hungry Horse. They had been told this was a unique offering in the UK following the example of Seamless and Caviar in the States.

It's more of a unique process than a unique offering I guess - with the other two, they act as an interface for other management with the takeaways - they're more like the trainline model. Deliveroo is unique in the sense that it's the only one that does the delivery (it's unique, I guess, in that you can get deliveries from restaurants that don't do deliveries).

There are fundamental flaws and areas of no use; for a pizza/kebab delivery, once you're over £8-10, delivery is free. There's Chinese takeaways that generally charge 50p or a £1 delivery no matter how much you order. I totally agree with you - I cannot see it being a long term success.