What do you think will happen to agencies next April?

[cojak]

Thought on this - as it's going to hurt the whole IT industry, and everyone in the supply chain to it due to skills issues, would it be worth asking clients for input on this? HMRC can ignore contractors quite easily, but would they ignore the thousands of businesses that rely on them to deliver work?

But do those businesses resent relying on contractors? They may be just expecting a cheaper resource once all the dust settles.

[allaboutthebenjis]

My 'home' is in Edinburgh, but at gig in Manchester for last 6 months/next 6 months racking up £2.5k+ in T&S per month. That will absolutely not be viable post-April if proposed changes go through on T&S.

I will have to rely on getting a good gig in Edinburger instead which should not be the end of the world, I know there are loads of T&S reliant bods working all over Edinburger wo would have to return dahn sath

[eek]

My 'home' is in Edinburgh, but at gig in Manchester for last 6 months/next 6 months racking up £2.5k+ in T&S per month. That will absolutely not be viable post-April if proposed changes go through on T&S.

I will have to rely on getting a good gig in Edinburger instead which should not be the end of the world, I know there are loads of T&S reliant bods working all over Edinburger wo would have to return dahn sath

Have you filled in the surveys http://goo.gl/forms/O2O4WhscV4 and https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/AUCAEConDoc ?

[eek]

But do those businesses resent relying on contractors? They may be just expecting a cheaper resource once all the dust settles.

Unlikely. Most of the North East companies I know of (except Capita) have clear cut rules for contractor instead of permie...

[northernladuk]

Maybe we should start a swap shop site. I see so many posts where people are travelling halfway across the country for gig's. So many of us must pass each other going in the opposite direction to the same type of gig. I'll take yours in my home town and you can have mine in your town. We could place each other as subs and have and IR35 is sorted... Oh.. Hang on

[MrMarkyMark]

travelling halfway across the country for gig's. So many of us must pass each other going in the opposite direction to the same type of gig.

Capita deliberately do this with their own staff, as I said on another post.
They have their own travel agency and pass this cost all on to the client.

[Danglekt]

Just a small point, but contractors can and do work outside of IT.

[eek]

EMPLOYEE TRAVEL & SUSISTENCE: INLAND REVENUE CONSULTS | News | Local Government Chronicle - Looking at this it must have been after the consultation in 1996 - So 1997?

Some serious irony here...

Would be worth an FOI to see what was said as a result of this consultation - And use the same arguments, bearing in mind this allowed the 24 months. In my opinion this should be the type of thing that would be a winner in a court case.

or just write ...

"Copies of the consultative document are available by post, price £3 (post free) from: The Inland Revenue Reference Library South West Wing Bush House Strand London WC2B 4RD."

hang on ... just searching the archive ....

Ok, looks like someone has beaten you to it ...

Lawspeed leads AEMC response to Treasury consultation on contractors

Interesting argument - "This same consultation claimed ten years ago that there would be no loss to the exchequer in granting relief to site-based workers, where the Treasury now claims, without apparent basis, it is costing £300m" - Now £400m to account for inflation I guess....

Other interesting numbers.

83% of contractors said the tax relief on travel expenses was important to them
27% of contractors said they would seek permanent employment if tax relief on travel expenses was removed
Only 29% of the 27% of contractors who said they would seek permanent employment said their existing client would offer them the option of direct employment
90% of contractors said it would be a loss if umbrella companies ceased to exist and there was no alternative model of employment.

Thank you very much. So this was implemented in 1996, discussed in 2008/9 but withdrawn and now implemented again now...

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

EMPLOYEE TRAVEL & SUSISTENCE: INLAND REVENUE CONSULTS | News | Local Government Chronicle - Looking at this it must have been after the consultation in 1996 - So 1997?

Some serious irony here...

Would be worth an FOI to see what was said as a result of this consultation - And use the same arguments, bearing in mind this allowed the 24 months. In my opinion this should be the type of thing that would be a winner in a court case.

or just write ...

"Copies of the consultative document are available by post, price £3 (post free) from: The Inland Revenue Reference Library South West Wing Bush House Strand London WC2B 4RD."

hang on ... just searching the archive ....

Ok, looks like someone has beaten you to it ...

Lawspeed leads AEMC response to Treasury consultation on contractors

Interesting argument - "This same consultation claimed ten years ago that there would be no loss to the exchequer in granting relief to site-based workers, where the Treasury now claims, without apparent basis, it is costing £300m" - Now £400m to account for inflation I guess....

Other interesting numbers.

83% of contractors said the tax relief on travel expenses was important to them
27% of contractors said they would seek permanent employment if tax relief on travel expenses was removed
Only 29% of the 27% of contractors who said they would seek permanent employment said their existing client would offer them the option of direct employment
90% of contractors said it would be a loss if umbrella companies ceased to exist and there was no alternative model of employment.

Good find This kind of backs up what HMRC said - they didn't think that it would have any impact because there weren't that many contractors - now there's loads (allegedly) and it has an impact.

[Danglekt]

Looks like HMRC implement a relaxation of the rules, followed by a tightening of the rules. Followed by a consultation to relax/tighten the rules. They must pull it out of a drawer dust it off and re-issue.

The wheel spins on and on till they pick up the gold plated pension.

Unlike contractors who recycle our experiences time and again, and get paid better than most public sector bods can dream of.