Any point in contracting after April 2016?

[TykeMerc]

I think we will continually come back to this problem.... Which was one reason for my survey to see what proportion of contractors do do a weekly commute...

Indeed, the really telling thing would be to understand just how many thousands of permies work with comparable T&S figures which are paid (not as taxable benefits) by their employers.

Speaking from my perspective; which might be unusual; I've worked with plenty of permies that move from project to project just the same way I do. I've just finished 12 months working with 4 permie SAP consultants each charging at least as much T&S as me and they've all gone on to new projects, again away from home.

[stek]

Well you obviously have no idea how to invest, I recon you have no idea how to save too.

I reckon you've no idea how to spell.

[diseasex]

I reckon you've no idea how to spell.

Pardon me, I'm not native.
Guy is complaining that he cant claim 2700 for 5 star hotel anymore and all you pick up is my grammar. Jesus you can have a room for 3 months for that cash , gods sake. I was very poor few years back..

[ShandyDrinker]

You'll always get some people willing to slum it in a B&B or rental for £10-£20 per night (depending on location) and those at the other end of the scale wanting to stay in a 5 star hotel. Providing it can be justified as wholly and exclusively for business use it matters not.

What I've seen is when permies are seconded to another office, more often than not they're put up in either a decent hotel or flat for the duration to ensure they get the work done and get to live in a home from home. You can guarantee they or consultancy employees aren't paying a BIK for the privilege.

Unless I'm missing something (probably), I can see a return to clients having to pay travel and accommodation in the event they have to take on someone not local. For those clients not based in a major city I can imagine this is going to have a significant impact.

[TykeMerc]

Pardon me, I'm not native.
Guy is complaining that he cant claim 2700 for 5 star hotel anymore and all you pick up is my grammar. Jesus you can have a room for 3 months for that cash , gods sake. I was very poor few years back..

No, do try to gain some reading comprehension along with a basic education...

I said my T&S expenses average higher than £1500 a month and have done for many years and IF I stayed in the same hotels as many of the PERMIES I work along side on projects THEN it would be £2750+.

[Peej]

Probably not...but still

I've been contracting since 1988 so I've really seen some changes. The ironic thing here is the argument about travel etc. was the major issue prior to '99 when IR35 came along and we seem to have gone full circle. In many ways, the arguments being had back in the 80's and 90's are the same as now and have never been satisfactorily resolved.

For me, rates etc. have plummeted a great deal since those days though and, although I've had some good contracts that have paid well recently, I've also had some stinkers and the one I'm just finishing has a rate lower than any I've worked for in the past 25 years (There's a reason i took it though but don't want to explain it here).

Depends what you do, of course but I won't be in a position to just slap £15 an hour on my rate. I simply won't get any work.

If I continue this way then the answer to your question is no, it's not worth it, but I have to temper that with the fact I can't really do anything else and it will be really hard for me to get permie work at the ..hem-hem .. senior end of the market.

However, those who are saying wait and see etc. - although not strictly answering your question - have a point in that when IR35 was announced there were all types of doom and gloom scenarios being mooted. Then people bandied together, letters were written, groups formed and pressure put on and here we are 15 years later still arguing about it and for many of us *touches wood* it's never even been an issue.

Putting everyone inside IR35 for working through an Agency is going to hit a huge body - the Agencies themselves - if everyone decides it's not worth it or finds another way to work so I don't think this is a closed matter at all. And back in '99 nobody thought Gordon Brown and HMR&C would suddenly find themselves faced with legal challenges. I doubt this will sail through, if at all. I strongly suspect it will still be being kicked around in another 15 years.

[SueEllen]

Pardon me, I'm not native.

That is no excuse.

I have family and friends whose second, third or fourth language is English. Those who are adults tend to have English spelling and comprehension better than mine.

Guy is complaining that he cant claim 2700 for 5 star hotel anymore and all you pick up is my grammar. Jesus you can have a room for 3 months for that cash , gods sake. I was very poor few years back..

You are writing on a forum with adults not teenagers.

Some of these adults are over 60 and were there at the start of the computing industry, so the minimum you can do is be respectful and write properly.

After all as you are not native you won't be a horrible disrespectful person who doesn't give a f*** like British young people.

[diseasex]

That is no excuse.

I have family and friends whose second, third or fourth language is English. Those who are adults tend to have English spelling and comprehension better than mine.


You are writing on a forum with adults not teenagers.

Some of these adults are over 60 and were there at the start of the computing industry, so the minimum you can do is be respectful and write properly.

After all as you are not native you won't be a horrible disrespectful person who doesn't give a f*** like British young people.

I MADE A TYPO! I'm terribly sorry I'm not educated in not making typos field. Sorry that I had to be sarcastic, but that's just crazy! Now how about some respect to people that make typos sometimes, when writing really fast and carry on working? Especially if they weren't typing in this language their whole life? Why am I even forced to explain this...

Bottom line is , nobody is happy with current legislations, and some people will be hit more than the others. But from my perspective, and I want to keep cash within limited, I wont be hit nearly at all. And if that will make more people quit contracting and go permie, will make some stay within their area locally, or rates will increase to compensate this hit ... well that's even better for the rest of us.
Unpopular opinion ? Maybe, but thats how i think

[cojak]

Respect for all in Professional forums please.

[TykeMerc]

Respect for all in Professional forums please.

Kill the sockies and blatant trolls off from the professional forums please.