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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostHmm that would be an interesting statistic to investigate. In the big clients I've been at recently for every contractor that plays the game and knows what they are doing there will be 10s of others that don't know what IR35 is let alone the intricacies of it. Maybe my experience is different.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostHmm that would be an interesting statistic to investigate. In the big clients I've been at recently for every contractor that plays the game and knows what they are doing there will be 10s of others that don't know what IR35 is let alone the intricacies of it. Maybe my experience is different.
In the contractor heavy gigs I've been on most have been clued up and doing it right, but there always seem to be a couple who either don't care or refuse to understand."Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.Comment
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Originally posted by DaveB View PostIt's been the other way around for me.
In the contractor heavy gigs I've been on most have been clued up and doing it right, but there always seem to be a couple who either don't care or refuse to understand.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by eek View Post+1. I have a simple viewpoint on this (which is crude but effective). Anyone who claims that VAT is an additional tax we pay rather than just an annoying task with paperwork attached that we have no choice but to do really has lost the argument before they begin...
I certainly wouldn't do it if it wasn't of benefit to me/mycoComment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostHmm that would be an interesting statistic to investigate. In the big clients I've been at recently for every contractor that plays the game and knows what they are doing there will be 10s of others that don't know what IR35 is let alone the intricacies of it. Maybe my experience is different.Originally posted by eek View PostI reckon your statistics are right and may even be on the low side. You then have those where the phrase "in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed...." definitely holds true. Which means that dodgy information starts to become fact (which is how dodgy schemes end up taking hold)...
Originally posted by DaveB View PostIt's been the other way around for me.
In the contractor heavy gigs I've been on most have been clued up and doing it right, but there always seem to be a couple who either don't care or refuse to understand.
Reading the IPSE benchmarking survey recently confirmed what I have observed in that only a third of contractors have their contracts reviewed for IR35.
From what I've seen, particularly over the last couple of years, is that if you make waves about whether a contract is IR35 friendly the stock answer is typically that "we've already got x number of contractors with the same contract" which makes you out to be a troublemaker if you ask for problem clauses to be changed.Comment
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Originally posted by ShandyDrinker View PostI'm with NLUK and eek on this one. From working for clients in both retail and investment banking over the last 5+ years my experience has been mostly that contractors do not take an interest in IR35 at all.
I am surprised although I would imagine contractors in some sectors are more clued up than others.
Reading the IPSE benchmarking survey recently confirmed what I have observed in that only a third of contractors have their contracts reviewed for IR35.
From what I've seen, particularly over the last couple of years, is that if you make waves about whether a contract is IR35 friendly the stock answer is typically that "we've already got x number of contractors with the same contract" which makes you out to be a troublemaker if you ask for problem clauses to be changed.
As for your last point I wanted a recent contract changed because it had an utterly insane substitution clause (look we may not use it and you may not want us to but it should at least look like its usable)... As they wouldn't change it I went elsewhere....merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostI think DaveB has been public sector for a while which probably explains their knowledge (with the rules the cabinet office tried to implement)..
As for your last point I wanted a recent contract changed because it had an utterly insane substitution clause (look we may not use it and you may not want us to but it should at least look like its usable)... As they wouldn't change it I went elsewhere...."Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.Comment
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Originally posted by eek View PostAs for your last point I wanted a recent contract changed because it had an utterly insane substitution clause (look we may not use it and you may not want us to but it should at least look like its usable)... As they wouldn't change it I went elsewhere....
In this respect I've found the small/mid sized agencies much better to deal with than the larger ones as they're much more open to amending the contract.Last edited by ShandyDrinker; 5 August 2015, 11:13.Comment
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Originally posted by pr1 View PostAn annoying task that allows us to keep an extra ~2.6% of turnover in our companies pocket, you mean?
I certainly wouldn't do it if it wasn't of benefit to me/myco
Yes we get a benefit from it (2.6%) but that isn't a selling point to HMRC that is another reason for not letting us get that benefit... Its not as if we need to accurately account for 150 cups of coffee a day with additional purchases that may or may not have vat included....merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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