Office 2010

[AtW]

This thread is full of nerds who would not know how to run a proper customer focussed business that is not a monopoly.

And for this reason I am out of here.

[d000hg]

You're one of the biggest nerds here AtW, I thought you were proud of your coding roots.

Judging by the UI on your websites:

[AtW]

I am a nerd who knows how to run a proper customer focussed business that is not a monopoly.

Don't complain about UI - I asked Nick Fitz to do it, gave him some peanuts and ...



















No I didn't.

[d000hg]

So AtW are you making a solemn promise you will NEVER drop ANY feature, or make a decision on your users' behalf that you know your software better than they do?

[doodab]

I have loads of bits of software that do things I would have never thought have asking for. I love them all.

[MrRobin]

that's the kind of stuff that I would probably trade for a familiar and logically designed menu system

does this include data retrieval? receiving data is often the bottleneck in excel so that would be a real incentive if the overall speed of receiving and refreshing data had been improved

have you compared the speed of the same spreadsheet between versions? if so was it noticeably different? excel is one of the only MS products I actually like and I think this would be the biggest improvement

Unfortuntely I no longer have 2003 so I cannot conduct a scientific experiment for you. There are however various benchmarks available on that interweb thing.

I think the multithreaded calcs only applies to cell formulas, rather than VBA or data imports etc. The bottleneck for me was usually when using several array formulas, it certainly helps me there.

[2BIT]

Unfortuntely I no longer have 2003 so I cannot conduct a scientific experiment for you. There are however various benchmarks available on that interweb thing.

I think the multithreaded calcs only applies to cell formulas, rather than VBA or data imports etc. The bottleneck for me was usually when using several array formulas, it certainly helps me there.

hehe yeah well I'm on a google training course next week

sometimes better to hear real-life stories

but if its only calcs then maybe that's why i didn't hear of it earlier - data in and out is my main focus.

[AtW]

So AtW are you making a solemn promise you will NEVER drop ANY feature, or make a decision on your users' behalf that you know your software better than they do?

We are talking about interfaces here - we did pretty big change last year with new UI but we beta tested it with customers and I guarantee you if even 30%+ said it was much worse than before, making them do common tasks longer then we would not have launched it.

I can also guarantee you that if we had billions of dollars in revenues then I'd maintain two UIs - classic and new so long as over 10% of our user based preferred classic: cost of doing so for well developed scriptable product like Office is near zero.

[doodab]

We are talking about interfaces here - we did pretty big change last year with new UI but we beta tested it with customers and I guarantee you if even 30%+ said it was much worse than before, making them do common tasks longer then we would not have launched it.

I can also guarantee you that if we had billions of dollars in revenues then I'd maintain two UIs - classic and new so long as over 10% of our user based preferred classic: cost of doing so for well developed scriptable product like Office is near zero.

So if 91% of people didn't give a tulip you would make the change and alienate the other 9%. Extrapolate that to 10 million users, thats, ooh, nearly a million pissed off customers.

If you're dealing with that many people you will always upset some of them. Even if you don't change anything a %age of them will get upset with you about it.

[AtW]

So if 91% of people didn't give a tulip you would make the change and alienate the other 9%. Extrapolate that to 10 million users, thats, ooh, nearly a million pissed off customers.

It all depends on cost benefit analysis - if we have 10 mln users paying combined total of billions then no way I'd want to piss them off by forcing new interface - I'd always keep classic, even if it's off by default. That was more or less policy of Microsoft or any sensible company for many years - I can get old Windows 95 look in Windows XP, and even Windows 7 is very close to it (not perfect but ok-ish).

Office 2007 and 2010 totally break that pattern - which is insane considering amount of training was put into the thing, whole generation grown up on it, yet they seem to think they are in position to force everyone to use this tulipy ribbon. It sure does NOT make people work faster - keyboard shortcuts do, teach those ffs.

Alt-F4.