Reply to: No Key Information Document - Your umbrella has a big problem

[andymalory]

The umbrella is unlikely to issue a KID, however we do always issue an illustration (same kind of thing but not the government format), so that people can see the deductions based on their actual rate. Always ask for a calculation before you start with the brolly.

Agreed - I've never had the Umbrella Company ever offer a KID of their own making. Its normally a passthrough of one given to them by the agency, and is supposed to form part of their employment contract. In fact most times, I get sent a KID by the agency, then by the umbrella as well. Its almost like a belt and braces, but without the consideration on what it is actually supposed to show.

With this particular case that the OP posted about, this seems to me to be more a case of the agency/client not being clear, treating the client's budgeted rate and the pay rate as the same thing and then lumbering the umbrella with the bill because that's who their employer according to the contract of employment is.

[lucyclarityumbrella]

The umbrella is unlikely to issue a KID, however we do always issue an illustration (same kind of thing but not the government format), so that people can see the deductions based on their actual rate. Always ask for a calculation before you start with the brolly.

[eek]

I suspect, yes, on the basis that eek wouldn't get out of bed for £100 a day

Oh I might - but not for this client - what I'm currently being paid ain't enough for the work I need to do.

But I've other stuff to do from next week so the new rules will be done my hours - if it's not solved not my problem.

[northernladuk]

Its appalling that AMS/PSR are still doing this. Is the KID you get from Clarity going to be different to the one Clarity were presumably sent by PSR?

I got an Opt out form from PRS as part of on boarding this week and I also got a KID even though I hadn't even chosen a brolly yet so it was from PSR

[ladymuck]

Its appalling that AMS/PSR are still doing this. Is the KID you get from Clarity going to be different to the one Clarity were presumably sent by PSR?

I suspect, yes, on the basis that eek wouldn't get out of bed for £100 a day

[andymalory]

For end client reasons I'm moving agency to AMS next month.

AMS use Giant and purt everyone under £250 on PAYE. So AMS send you a KID for Umbrella work based on a day rate of £100 a day.

Its appalling that AMS/PSR are still doing this. Is the KID you get from Clarity going to be different to the one Clarity were presumably sent by PSR?

[eek]

Is there anyone left at AMS?

They've been binning agents hand over fist for the past month.

Agents? I'm dealing with someone from their back office in Poland...

[wattaj]

The AMS that sent me an agency regulation opt out form to sign even though I've been at this end client for 11 months already..

Is there anyone left at AMS?

They've been binning agents hand over fist for the past month.

[eek]

Surely AMS are going to need to conduct an internal review to see how deep the rabbit hole has gone on this.

The AMS that sent me an agency regulation opt out form to sign even though I've been at this end client for 11 months already..

[Bluenose]

Just had a run in with AMS as they gave me the old list with one brolly that's lost it's accrediation and didn't know about Clarity. Had to get Lucy involved who sorted it out so another example of pushing back on the client. In this case the lady didn't know so was easy to sort but to anyone reading, push back and ask for Clarity, get Lucy involved and if she can't sort it then you'll have to chose.

They were going to put me through Giant by default. It was all over every email they sent so looked like the standard process so don't get tricked by them.

It's nice to know that AMS are OK to deal with directly but there are an awful lot of people I know that, just like in the OP, when you are not dealing with AMS directly, you are going through another agency who just seem to do Rec2Rec with AMS (and there are plenty of them, dozens at least I suspect).

Nothing wrong with Rec2Rec of course but this issue around EERNIC's and KID's seems like an undetonated nuclear device under the market, nobody truly knows how many people are impacted or, how much money is involved.

There's opinions on Linkedin but they seem to be getting very low engagement from the entire industry, sure there are news articles posted on here but, apart from a niche part of the legal market and a small band of contractors who is actually taking notice of this problem?

Surely AMS are going to need to conduct an internal review to see how deep the rabbit hole has gone on this.

[Bluenose]

Huxley on Jobserve.

"Please note that the documents provided contain generic information. If we are successful in finding you an assignment, you will receive a Key Information Document which will be specific to the vendor set-up you have chosen and your placement."

Seems like you'll get two Key Information Documents with Huxley.

Not accusing Huxley or anyone but I feel quite a bit of additional email spam coming our way.

[northernladuk]

Yet on my document from AMS it lists Clarity as on AMS's Approved Suppliers List ...

You then get to their forms and eventually it's enter your FSCA member umbrella here...

I was dealing with the PRS arm of them who clearly had the wrong document. Lucy got some procurement people involved who got them up to speed.

Apart from that little hiccup and the default pushing to Giant it's nice to see they are so accommodating of other umbrellas, albeit a little contrived.

[eek]

Just had a run in with AMS as they gave me the old list with one brolly that's lost it's accrediation and didn't know about Clarity. Had to get Lucy involved who sorted it out so another example of pushing back on the client. In this case the lady didn't know so was easy to sort but to anyone reading, push back and ask for Clarity, get Lucy involved and if she can't sort it then you'll have to chose.

They were going to put me through Giant by default. It was all over every email they sent so looked like the standard process so don't get tricked by them.

Yet on my document from AMS it lists Clarity as on AMS's Approved Suppliers List ...

You then get to their forms and eventually it's enter your FSCA member umbrella here...

[lucyclarityumbrella]

Just had a run in with AMS as they gave me the old list with one brolly that's lost it's accrediation and didn't know about Clarity. Had to get Lucy involved who sorted it out so another example of pushing back on the client. In this case the lady didn't know so was easy to sort but to anyone reading, push back and ask for Clarity, get Lucy involved and if she can't sort it then you'll have to chose.

[northernladuk]

For end client reasons I'm moving agency to AMS next month.

AMS use Giant and purt everyone under £250 on PAYE. So AMS send you a KID for Umbrella work based on a day rate of £100 a day.

Just had a run in with AMS as they gave me the old list with one brolly that's lost it's accrediation and didn't know about Clarity. Had to get Lucy involved who sorted it out so another example of pushing back on the client. In this case the lady didn't know so was easy to sort but to anyone reading, push back and ask for Clarity, get Lucy involved and if she can't sort it then you'll have to chose.

They were going to put me through Giant by default. It was all over every email they sent so looked like the standard process so don't get tricked by them.