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Originally posted by lucyclarityumbrella View PostBest idea is to go down the self employed and if he uses something like Go Simple Tax he can make sure he is managing his tax on a month by month basis. Ad Hoc work doesn't work for a brolly and it is going to be an expensive route for him even if you could find someone to take him on.
we are going down the self employed route.
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Best idea is to go down the self employed and if he uses something like Go Simple Tax he can make sure he is managing his tax on a month by month basis. Ad Hoc work doesn't work for a brolly and it is going to be an expensive route for him even if you could find someone to take him on.
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Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostHe could work as employee of your company, you invoice the end company
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He could work as employee of your company, you invoice the end company
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Kudos for not looking for ways of just pocketing it and ignoring the tax. I'd imagine with that type of work and rate it's more common for people to make it disappear than paying their dues.
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Originally posted by eek View PostHe could just be self-employed and sort the tax out himself - umbrellas and limited companies are just adding unnecessary complications here.
Limited companies are only required if the work is coming from an agency or there is liability attached that you wish to limit (remember a bad computer finance system could bankrupt a firm silently so we need protection).
Entirely separately - what about insurance (public liability)...
it is very much appreciated.
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Originally posted by Cid View PostUnderstood and taken onboard.
not wanting to ignore the issue of workers being exploited as that is obviously a bad thing.
However it would be his first role out of college and its not really to do with the money.
i think it would be a very good experience for him to get into the work ethic and also to learn some new skill's etc.
the company itself seems to be held in high regard and produce high quality products.
If not an umbrella then would it have to be the full LTD path ?
Limited companies are only required if the work is coming from an agency or there is liability attached that you wish to limit (remember a bad computer finance system could bankrupt a firm silently so we need protection).
Entirely separately - what about insurance (public liability)...Last edited by eek; 13 November 2020, 09:25.
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Originally posted by eek View PostThe issue here isn't him avoiding tax - it's the idea that the role is self-employed. Given the basic information you've given me it sounds like he should be an employee not self employed and the use of self employment is (I suspect) because the company is trying to avoid minimum wage issues.
And it's that reason why I suspect no umbrella will touch piece work because you have to be paid the minimum wage even if production speed doesn't justify it.
not wanting to ignore the issue of workers being exploited as that is obviously a bad thing.
However it would be his first role out of college and its not really to do with the money.
i think it would be a very good experience for him to get into the work ethic and also to learn some new skill's etc.
the company itself seems to be held in high regard and produce high quality products.
If not an umbrella then would it have to be the full LTD path ?
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3 other relevant links
What factors point to false self-employment? | WorkSmart: The career coach that works for everyone
Are you in false self-employment? | Low Incomes Tax Reform Group
and Bogus self-employment costing millions to workers and Government - Home
that last one is surprisingly given the source the least useful
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Originally posted by Cid View PostHmmmmmm that's not what i wanted to hear.
He is really keen on the role, but being a young chap i dont want him to start off on the wrong foot when it comes to taking care of taxes etc.
And it's that reason why I suspect no umbrella will touch piece work because you have to be paid the minimum wage even if production speed doesn't justify it.
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Originally posted by Cid View PostI asked my accountant and they dont do umbrella.
My son will be starting his first job in a couple of weeks.
its for a company who work grow/harvest trees and produce green wood items.
the role is self employed and paid on piecework.
i dont think its ever going to be lots of money, but while training for the first 3 weeks he will be on a flat rate of £80 a day and then transitioning to being paid on piecework.
Umbrella is going to be the best way forward ?
or is there some other mechanism in place for this type of work ?Last edited by eek; 13 November 2020, 08:47.
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Umbrella for self employed piecework
I asked my accountant and they dont do umbrella.
My son will be starting his first job in a couple of weeks.
its for a company who work grow/harvest trees and produce green wood items.
the role is self employed and paid on piecework.
i dont think its ever going to be lots of money, but while training for the first 3 weeks he will be on a flat rate of £80 a day and then transitioning to being paid on piecework.
Umbrella is going to be the best way forward ?
or is there some other mechanism in place for this type of work ?Tags: None
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