Reply to: Contractors United will never be Shafted!

[eek]

Got to say it played out exactly how I expected.

We won (to a limited extent) the battle that we were fighting here and the Government didn't removed expenses from outside IR35 contracts (but they did tighten the rules for inside contracts).

And then they changed the playing field by badly introducing Chapter 10 of IR35 which moved the costs and the blame to end clients who don't trust their middle management for good reason...

[cojak]

Spoiler: united contractors were shafted.

[jamesbrown]

It's a 9 year old thread

Spoiler: united contractors were shafted.

[WTFH]

OPs link isn't working for me?

It's a 9 year old thread

[ladymuck]

OPs link isn't working for me?

Well it is a campaign from 2015. Things have moved on a bit since then. Maybe doesn't need to be a sticky any more.

[BrickBrack]

OPs link isn't working for me?

[DaveB]

Blanket ban on umbrella payroll system

Why would they do that? It guarantees that tax is paid on all money earned. HMRC would love it if every contractor had to go brolly. They'd all become employees on full PAYE.

[DaveB]

They come and they go, off shore was finished by the government, buying a share in a limited company was finished by the government and cis was finished by the government but was brought back because people refused to us umbrell.
Why should people pay 20-30 pounds per week to get there wages, you tell me.

Same reason most people running a Ltd pay their accountants that amount each month. They don't want the headaches of doing the paperwork and risking screwing it up.

[TheFaQQer]

Why should people pay 20-30 pounds per week to get there wages, you tell me.

Because they work outside the public sector, but are still caught by IR35, have little to gain from the VAT FRS changes this tax year, and therefore don't want the hassle of running a limited company.

[TheFaQQer]

Why should people pay 20-30 pounds per week to get there wages, you tell me.

Because they work in the public sector, have been deemed inside IR35 and either (a) they have no choice in the matter, (b) they want to pay into their pension plan via salary sacrifice, (c) both of those.

[cojak]

I would not touch umbrella companies, why should the person pay the company NI.

Then take a permanent job or go Ltd.

[SussexSeagull]

They come and they go, off shore was finished by the government, buying a share in a limited company was finished by the government and cis was finished by the government but was brought back because people refused to us umbrell.
Why should people pay 20-30 pounds per week to get there wages, you tell me.

Because some people don't want the hassle of a Limited Company.

[Mark2009]

They are used by people who have to use them. Some of them even want to use them. Dream on.

They come and they go, off shore was finished by the government, buying a share in a limited company was finished by the government and cis was finished by the government but was brought back because people refused to us umbrell.
Why should people pay 20-30 pounds per week to get there wages, you tell me.

[Mark2009]

I would not touch umbrella companies, why should the person pay the company NI.

[cojak]

Blanket ban on umbrella payroll system

They are used by people who have to use them. Some of them even want to use them. Dream on.