Reply to: Tracing permissions on windows 7?

[Boney M]

It's Windows 7 Professional on a PC - no domain nor nuffink clever like that. Got a workgroup.

If I right click and "run as administrator" it works. if I modify my account so that it is an administrator, it doesn't work. If I leave my account as a normal user, and don't "run as administrator", it doesn't work.

Thanks, it is UAC causing it then. While you are logged as admin, the programs you execute do not run with the fullest admin privileges possible like they did on XP. This is a security measure implemented by Microsoft, as most people run Windows under local administrator accounts within a corporate environment and this was meant to diminish the risk associated with that.

Have a read of this USER Account Control

As it is a local machine you might as well disable UAC or for that user. I googled UAC and Sage and here it is:

http://kb.sagesoftwareonline.com/app...-7-%26-windows

If you dont want to disable UAC on the local machine you could use the /savecred in the shortcut

http://www.howtogeek.com/124087/

[Netraider]

It's Windows 7 Professional on a PC - no domain nor nuffink clever like that. Got a workgroup.

If I right click and "run as administrator" it works. if I modify my account so that it is an administrator, it doesn't work. If I leave my account as a normal user, and don't "run as administrator", it doesn't work.

Hi Nat,

Not good practice, but as the administrator for the PC login. On the folder that holds the data set full access for everything. Let us know if the user account can access everything.

[NotAllThere]

It's Windows 7 Professional on a PC - no domain nor nuffink clever like that. Got a workgroup.

If I right click and "run as administrator" it works. if I modify my account so that it is an administrator, it doesn't work. If I leave my account as a normal user, and don't "run as administrator", it doesn't work.

[Boney M]

I see you said that if you run it as administrator it works, there is a slight difference. Can you answer the following:

Does your account have local administrator rights or admin rights from a security group on the domain?

Does the problematic account have local administrator rights or is in a security group on the domain that provides these rights?

If your account does have the above, can you run the application normally from the icon without selecting "Run as administrator" and it behaves as it should?

Can the problematic account run the application normally from the icon without selecting "Run as administrator" and it behaves as it should?

Finally, can the problematic account run the application normally from the icon WITH selecting "Run as administrator" and it behaves as it should?

[NotAllThere]

Sounds like it might be a UAC issue then?

Can you login under the problematic account and rather than double click the sage icon, right click and then select "run as administrator"

Yes

If I launch from my account "as administrator" it works.

What kind of UAC issue would it be? I've done that thing where you check the access of users against the file, and it seems ok.

[Boney M]

I've got process explorer. Eventually I found the process monitor. Doesn't show anything untoward so far. Maybe I don't understand how to use it well enough.

It's really quite odd. I've reinstalled the software, I've exported and reimported the data, and it makes no difference. If I launch from my account "as administrator" it works. If I change my account to an administrator account, it doesn't.

Sounds like it might be a UAC issue then?

Can you login under the problematic account and rather than double click the sage icon, right click and then select "run as administrator"

[eek]

The install path I chose at installation is E:\program data\sage\ I've some of the clients (previous years) stored under a folder in "my documents", but they're closed so making a booking isn't an issue. What's also strange is that it was working fine for months - it only went after a crash.

It's sage50 2013 - I hate it when they release alpha software to customers...

FTFY

[NotAllThere]

Hi NAT, its been a while since I worked on Sage. Find out where the data files are kept. If they have been installed in a profile that could cause issues. Sage data should either be in C:\Program Files or c:\sage. That is where the permissions issue will be.

Lastly depending on the newness of the software some sage installations required some registry settings to be tweaked (10 plus years ago if I remember).

If you can tell me the install path to the data I'll see what else I can find out.

The install path I chose at installation is E:\program data\sage\ I've some of the clients (previous years) stored under a folder in "my documents", but they're closed so making a booking isn't an issue. What's also strange is that it was working fine for months - it only went after a crash.

It's sage50 2013 - I hate it when they release beta software to customers...

[Netraider]

Hi NAT, its been a while since I worked on Sage. Find out where the data files are kept. If they have been installed in a profile that could cause issues. Sage data should either be in C:\Program Files or c:\sage. That is where the permissions issue will be.

Lastly depending on the newness of the software some sage installations required some registry settings to be tweaked (10 plus years ago if I remember).

If you can tell me the install path to the data I'll see what else I can find out.

[NotAllThere]

I've got process explorer. Eventually I found the process monitor. Doesn't show anything untoward so far. Maybe I don't understand how to use it well enough.

It's really quite odd. I've reinstalled the software, I've exported and reimported the data, and it makes no difference. If I launch from my account "as administrator" it works. If I change my account to an administrator account, it doesn't.

[vetran]

LMGTFY

Process Explorer

DiskMon for Windows

Process Monitor

[NotAllThere]

With proper software it's su53.

No, no. With proper software it's the Automatic Role Builder, which I wrote.

Why dont you renamed the current problematic profile and create a new windows profile (as you say the app crashed) for the current profile that is not working and amend any path variables.

Because while I understand individual words and the odd phrase you've used, on the whole I've no idea what you're saying to me.

Mark Russovich & Bryce Cogswell - sysinternals wrote a few tools to do this.

now part of M$soft. still free.

Can you give me a hint about the name of those tools? I stopped doing windowy admin stuff around the time of the release of windows 95...

I have discovered that if I run Sage as administrator, it works fine. But while it's a workaround, it's not the solution I want.

[Boney M]

Why dont you renamed the current problematic profile and create a new windows profile (as you say the app crashed) for the current profile that is not working and amend any path variables.

[vetran]

Mark Russovich & Bryce Cogswell - sysinternals wrote a few tools to do this.

now part of M$soft. still free.

[Pondlife]

With proper software it's su53.