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Previously on "Apple M1 - new Macs use ARM"

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  • d000hg
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    You could upgrade the low-end MacMini past 16Gb and it (presumably) had discreet GPU RAM too.
    I would guess 16GB is plenty but 8 is looking a bit sparse to me. You're right they are only replacing the lower spec so far.

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  • zerosum
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    A bit more research highlights that M1 systems only offer up to 16Gb RAM and of course it cannot be upgraded later. It seems like this also is shared for GPU memory which will surely eat into that a bit as well?

    They have also made the new systems worse in terms of driving external displays. As in, you can only drive up to 2 AFAIK unlike 3 before.

    Maybe these two things are related and they haven't figured how to cram enough power/RAM onto the SoC design yet, and higher spec versions will come soon.

    edit, found: Apple M1: Will storage and memory limits be a problem for pros? | ZDNet
    What are you comparing to? This first wave replaces the most portable machines.

    Apple are committed to doing an Apple silicon overhaul of the entire line within two years, but I’d wager we’re not going to see an m1 or 16gb max memory in the more ‘pro’-y machines. It will be another chip.

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  • d000hg
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    A bit more research highlights that M1 systems only offer up to 16Gb RAM and of course it cannot be upgraded later. It seems like this also is shared for GPU memory which will surely eat into that a bit as well?

    They have also made the new systems worse in terms of driving external displays. As in, you can only drive up to 2 AFAIK unlike 3 before.

    Maybe these two things are related and they haven't figured how to cram enough power/RAM onto the SoC design yet, and higher spec versions will come soon.

    edit, found: Apple M1: Will storage and memory limits be a problem for pros? | ZDNet
    Last edited by d000hg; 13 November 2020, 10:38.

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  • zerosum
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    Originally posted by Lance View Post
    Apple are claiming that intel binaries run up to 2.8x faster when using Rosetta as an emulator.... which is remarkable..
    Yeah...the new Macbook Air benchmarked higher on single-core and multi-core than the highest specced 16" Macbook Pro *without a fan* and with 15 hours+ battery life. Nuts.
    Apple Silicon M1 Chip in MacBook Air Outperforms High-End 16-Inch MacBook Pro - MacRumors

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  • Lance
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    Apple are claiming that intel binaries run up to 2.8x faster when using Rosetta as an emulator.... which is remarkable..

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  • Lance
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    looks like the M1 devices are going to be sold in parallel with the Intel ones for some while.
    The M1s are quite a bit cheaper.

    I assume they don't perform as well as the Intel chips, despite the marketing guff, as the M1 is only available for lower specced systems.
    I also assume that binary compatibility will be gone so no more Windows VMs.
    And I doubt that any Powershell cmdlets will work, not that many do on OSX yet anyway.

    I am tempted though.

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  • _V_
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    Seems like it.

    You often hear "wow the new Apple XXXXXX looks fantastic, but the starting price is X thousand pounds"

    And Apple are worth more than most countries.

    I don't own any Apple products. The chip looks interesting but I like to upgrade. All my laptops get RAM upgraded to max capacity during their lifetime.

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  • Hobosapien
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    Apple claims their new M1 processor is powerful enough for their new MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac Mini – But if you’re an Apple fan, should you be excited - Or very, very worried?
    I'd say if you're an Apple fan you're well used to being reamed on the non-upgradability and built in obsolescence, and willing to pay over the odds for the brand tax.

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  • WTFH
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    Originally posted by _V_ View Post
    The chip appears very impressive.

    Apple M1 Chip - Apple

    My concern is that does this mean an end to upgradable systems? The DRAM is built into the same silicon as the CPU and GPU so no upgrades.
    The main point of this chip is in portable computing or VSFF units.

    How upgradeable were laptops in the past?
    ...and in reality, what % of laptop owners did upgrades after purchase?

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by _V_ View Post
    The chip appears very impressive.

    Apple M1 Chip - Apple

    My concern is that does this mean an end to upgradable systems? The DRAM is built into the same silicon as the CPU and GPU so no upgrades.
    Yes - mind you most Macs haven't been human upgradeable for a very long time.

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  • _V_
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    The chip appears very impressive.

    Apple M1 Chip - Apple

    My concern is that does this mean an end to upgradable systems? The DRAM is built into the same silicon as the CPU and GPU so no upgrades.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by adubya View Post
    Buy a £100-£150 Haswell based 4 core i5 corporate machine (2015-ish), put a SSD in it and Hackintosh it. Great performance and will run Big Sur when it's released tomorrow.
    You do it, I'll pay you £200 for it.

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  • adubya
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    Buy a £100-£150 Haswell based 4 core i5 corporate machine (2015-ish), put a SSD in it and Hackintosh it. Great performance and will run Big Sur when it's released tomorrow.

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  • d000hg
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    Hmm, I thought they made the 2014 Mini non-upgradeable but back-tracked in 2018 which was generally a pretty big upgrade. Wikipedia agrees but suggests it is not officially supported.

    The 2018 version is also pretty expensive. Online right now, the base model starts at £1100!

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  • WTFH
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    Originally posted by eek View Post
    Yes, Yes and possible Yes (as Parallels now includes CPUs within it's requirements).

    And you are probably too late as I think the last decent upgradable Mac Minis are the 2012 ones.

    You can still upgrade the memory on iMac, but not on the Mini (as you say, since 2012)

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