Reply to: Web app development

[MrMarkyMark]

no margin for me...

Done

TCS: IT Services, Consulting and Business Solutions

[DimPrawn]

Others: I appreciate your feedback looks like I'll have to outsource the development of what I want to do. As an aside do you think thelack of suitable tools like I'm after is due to a circling of the waggons in the programming world or is it just a really difficult thing to do well?

The web is a b@stard child of unsuitable technologies, shoe-horned to create "online applications".

It was designed to read crap like CUK, rather than be an all singing all dancing front-end to complex business applications.

Consequently, the technology stack is fragmented, browsers are "quirky" and there's lots of them.

No, creating good, secure, stable, scalable, useable, responsive, web apps requires a high level of skill and diligence as well as lots of testing.

[Bluespider]

20k upfront.

no margin for me...

[Unix]

Database = Yes
Complexity = Not Very, however I'd like it to be able to trigger work flow items based on dates and other items in the records
O/S = No preference. It will end up in AWS so pretty flexible on this one.

20k upfront.

[MrMarkyMark]

Database = Yes
Complexity = Not Very, however I'd like it to be able to trigger work flow items based on dates and other items in the records
O/S = No preference. It will end up in AWS so pretty flexible on this one.

MS Access

[Bluespider]

Not enough info, Will it have a database? How complex? Preferred host OS?

Database = Yes
Complexity = Not Very, however I'd like it to be able to trigger work flow items based on dates and other items in the records
O/S = No preference. It will end up in AWS so pretty flexible on this one.

[Unix]

Any of the Code monkeys on here recommend a relatively easy to use web app builder or a platform for development?

I have a few ideas for web based apps that could help current client out, I know how they would hang together but i'm looking for something to start realising the idea.
Had a look at some of the offerings google threw up but they all seem to be based on a model where they host the finished app for you. I'd be looking for something i could stick up on aws or host internally.

Any ideas?

Not enough info, Will it have a database? How complex? Preferred host OS?

[Bluespider]

You try to get developers on your side by calling them monkeys?

You think you can bypass the skill that they have because you have "a few ideas" and can belittle their contribution by knocking up a bit of software in a wysiwyg environment?

You put "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." in your signature?

I think you are an idiot.

code monkey in the same context as grease monkey... someone who enjoys what they are doing and has fun doing it??!!??

If I've bruised your pride, i apologise... I've been called worse in my areas of expertise as a term of affection.
I didn't realise we were still working under union 'job demarcation' rules where i had to hire a union bound programmer to do my work... I'll need to check that before I proceed.

I don't get how you think I'm belittling anyone, I have no delusions of grandeur and fully understand anything I 'knocked up in a WYSWIG env would be a poor cousin to a professionally designed and implemented product.

And yes, I do think I have a 'few Ideas', I'm sure you do as well - good luck with yours.
Have fun getting help with the pieces of the puzzle you have identified as not being your strengths...

You sound like a typical "give me teh codez" bob.

Didn't ask for any code, just tools to help me realise my ideas.

Others: I appreciate your feedback looks like I'll have to outsource the development of what I want to do. As an aside do you think thelack of suitable tools like I'm after is due to a circling of the waggons in the programming world or is it just a really difficult thing to do well?

[Bacchus]

Any of the Code monkeys on here recommend a relatively easy to use web app builder or a platform for development?

I have a few ideas for web based apps that could help current client out

You try to get developers on your side by calling them monkeys?

You think you can bypass the skill that they have because you have "a few ideas" and can belittle their contribution by knocking up a bit of software in a wysiwyg environment?

You put "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." in your signature?

I think you are an idiot.

[MrWebDev]

I guess it depends on exactly you want to do? For example if you want to create an app that runs in the Apple ecosystem, you can write it in Swift. If you want it to run on both Apple and Android devices you may be better off writing in JavaScript & HTML5 and using a framework such as Ionic, PhoneGap or maybe even React Native.

[billybiro]

I'm not giving them it for free...

See a need, fill a need and all that.

I'll go and learn how to code it if i have to or get a PPH coder to rattle it together from my spec. I was just interested in if anyone had used a decent WYSIWYG app dev environment or had any alternatives that a technical <all be it not a coder> person could have a go at using.

So probably should have phrased the Q as:

App coding for a non coder: any suggestions?

You sound like a typical "give me teh codez" bob.

[MrMarkyMark]

If they work out what language it is in they just find someone who knows the language to reverse engineer it and modify it, even if that person hasn't used the language for a few years.

If you want to make it difficult for them to do that then use a random Javascript library as there is a shortage of good front-end developers...

I agree up to a point, but I have known people kept on purely because they are the only one that kknows a system.

There was one contractor, here at client co, that managed to do this contracting for 25 years .

hey then let him go, to great fanfare and he was back 3 months later

[v8gaz]

bubble.is

[NickFitz]

You'd probably be able to put something together with WordPress and assorted plugins, as it's a lot more than just a blogging platform nowadays. You'd need someone with WordPress and PHP knowledge to do any very extensive customisation of functionality, and someone with front end knowledge to make a customised theme. (In the world of WordPress development, it's pretty likely the same person could fulfil both of those roles.)

[d000hg]

If it's anything remotely complicated then you're going to struggle, nobody has yet managed to solve this problem.

MS for example is launching yet another attempt at solving this problem: Microsoft whips out PowerApps – now your Pointy Haired Boss can write software, too! • The Register

Is it something your CMS background can cope with, i.e. largely static(ish) web pages rather than a bunch of bespoke logic someone needs to code?

Could you team up with a developer perhaps, if you can storyboard/wireframe your ideas well enough to get a sale?