Reply to: Next steps on IR35 moot - it's a PSC ban that's the problem

[eek]

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From a thick Permie who stayed in his job for 20 years!

And did rather well out of it..

[Andy Hallett]

Permies need to be a tad thick to stay in same role and wait to get made redundant or sacked or reapply for there job on tuliptyy wages for past 20 years

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From a thick Permie who stayed in his job for 20 years!

[herman_g]

What?!? 2020?!?

Oh tulip! Meant 2000. Those years all seem to blurr in at my age!

[cojak]

Building a war chest until you are old and deed?

Long time dead mate


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Or a long time for Financial Independence Retire Early.

Depends how you look at it really...

[GhostofTarbera]

Fair play to them, they took the risk of exploiting the loophole & as a result earn their rewards.


Always have choice. For the unwise permitractors who were spending as they earn - they can easily circumvent by spend less from now on (no more wasting money on meaningless subcriptions they don't need, holidays only as really required etc..). For the wise ones who have been building up their warchest - sure, it's painful for now but who knows what will happen in future, maybe market will rise again.

Building a war chest until you are old and deed?

Long time dead mate


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[cojak]

In 2020 when IR35 was introduced, the UK IT contract market was pretty much the same as now. Clients were reluctant to engage and the supply demand ratio was a complete disaster.

Which, of course, was the reason I took up my first contract in Germany.

In June, the phone started ringing pretty steady for UK roles. Clients were willing to engage again and had tweeked contracts accordingly.

My guess is this reincarnation of IR35 will end up about the same.

What?!? 2020?!?

[herman_g]

In 2020 when IR35 was introduced, the UK IT contract market was pretty much the same as now. Clients were reluctant to engage and the supply demand ratio was a complete disaster.

Which, of course, was the reason I took up my first contract in Germany.

In June, the phone started ringing pretty steady for UK roles. Clients were willing to engage again and had tweeked contracts accordingly.

My guess is this reincarnation of IR35 will end up about the same.

[BritishLad88]

while permietractors were getting double the rate for same role

Fair play to them, they took the risk of exploiting the loophole & as a result earn their rewards.

Now market is dead permiractors have no choice - hence the return

Always have choice. For the unwise permitractors who were spending as they earn - they can easily circumvent by spend less from now on (no more wasting money on meaningless subcriptions they don't need, holidays only as really required etc..). For the wise ones who have been building up their warchest - sure, it's painful for now but who knows what will happen in future, maybe market will rise again.

[eek]

Permies need to be a tad thick to stay in same role and wait to get made redundant or sacked or reapply for there job on tuliptyy wages for past 20 years while permietractors were getting double the rate for same role

Now market is dead permiractors have no choice - hence the return


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Permietractors doing the exact job as permanent staff should never have been allowed - this is why we are in the mess we are in

It's also why I'm finding the Aker's decision (see the oil and gas thread) so interesting..

[GhostofTarbera]

should not use permie as an insult. don't forget majority of us all came from a permie background. so let's be humble & don't forget what helped us to get there.

Permies need to be a tad thick to stay in same role and wait to get made redundant or sacked or reapply for there job on tuliptyy wages for past 20 years while permietractors were getting double the rate for same role

Now market is dead permiractors have no choice - hence the return


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[BritishLad88]

should not use permie as an insult. don't forget majority of us all came from a permie background. so let's be humble & don't forget what helped us to get there.

[vwdan]

I would hope you are smart enough to know I am referring to IT contractors. Maybe not.

What is it about IT Contracting specifically that makes being willing to work or live abroad so vital? Or is it you're just one of these tossers who drew that line for yourself and can't grasp the concept that it doesn't work for everybody?

Mind you, somebody who uses being permie as an insult is never going to be sharpest.

[dsc]

FFS can someone cut the last three pages out and bring this thread back on topic?

[herman_g]

So anybody who isn't willing to move or live abroad isn't cut out to be a contractor? My builder doesn't want to move abroad either, shall I tell him to pack his business in and get a permie job? The MD of my old place still lives in his hometown - I should let him know he's not cut out to be running millions of pounds worth of business.

What an absolute load of nonsense you've posted in this thread. Sort yourself out.

I would hope you are smart enough to know I am referring to IT contractors. Maybe not.

[vwdan]

[Stupidity]

So anybody who isn't willing to move or live abroad isn't cut out to be a contractor? My builder doesn't want to move abroad either, shall I tell him to pack his business in and get a permie job? The MD of my old place still lives in his hometown - I should let him know he's not cut out to be running millions of pounds worth of business.

What an absolute load of nonsense you've posted in this thread. Sort yourself out.