Reply to: Churchill Knight & Boox clients being investigated as Managed Service Companies

[Guy Incognito]

HMRC are clown shoes

[jimmyoyang]

In addition to this topic, I too am having difficulty making PoA despite now having the funds to do so. There should be a SAFE ref number which is documented for the PAYE determinations (it is the same number across all years relating to the Notice of Reg 80) that should be used for reference purposes, however, there is no SAFE number for the National Insurance contributions notice which I am in the midst of trying to sort out.

In the interim, I've been advised to directly email them (the email on the letter: esimscteam@hmrc.go.uk) stating I'd like to make a PoA for the above, and they should, in theory, offer guidance on the next steps. This method was advised by my tax advisor. In addition, I also tried calling HMRC on numerous occasions and managed to get through to multiple departments who had no idea what I was talking about!!! So, I share your confusion and frustrations too.

Lastly, I am also yet to hear from the contact I emailed as advised though it's only been a week thus far.

Will keep you all updated if anything changes... the uncertainty continues...

[GregRickshaw]

You should have received a reference number in your correspondence with HMRC.

You need to use that reference number to pay on account. If you have, as it sounds, started a dialogue with HMRC then ask them for a reference number to allow you to pay on account. Once you have the number payments can begin.

As is well documented here I had my first two years thrown out, however despite paying HMRC in March 2022 I still haven't received the PoA amounts back

[yama]

What number did you call? I've emailed several times regarding Payment On Account but I haven't got any answer. If you could please share the phone number I'll try that as well.

I'm in the same boat regarding trying to actually make a Payment on Account.

[ritwolf]

I found HMRC to be quite helpful at the individual staff member level and have had my case stood over. I followed the instructions on the letter and sent in paperwork to support my case with a detailed letter regarding the MSC legislation and how it didn't affect me. I also sent the letter recorded so that they would have to sign for delivery.



I also phoned them every couple of days and spent hours on the phone in queues

It took a few weeks but eventually I got a reply.

What number did you call? I've emailed several times regarding Payment On Account but I haven't got any answer. If you could please share the phone number I'll try that as well.

[varuswan]

Hello all,
Im facing the same issue i received the notice from hmrc in Feb 2023 for tax year 2018 to 2020 . I used the boox accountancy firm.

Is there any whats app group where the matter is discussed.

[Fuzzynavel]

Hey all,

I am a former Boox customer. Now with a different accountant.

I received a notice of decision saying that my company is liable on March 15. I have only just opened the letter today thus making any potential appeal I may send late. I was not checking the postbox as originally all the initial appeals and responses were going to and from Boox and it was just not on my radar. I am clearly not an MSC and have emails that should show that.

I am freaking out a bit by the face that I am late to make another appeal and what I should be doing as I am appealing on my own without Boox. Any advice would be appreciated.

I found HMRC to be quite helpful at the individual staff member level and have had my case stood over. I followed the instructions on the letter and sent in paperwork to support my case with a detailed letter regarding the MSC legislation and how it didn't affect me. I also sent the letter recorded so that they would have to sign for delivery.

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I also phoned them every couple of days and spent hours on the phone in queues

It took a few weeks but eventually I got a reply.

[dpw123]

Hey all,

I am a former Boox customer. Now with a different accountant.

I received a notice of decision saying that my company is liable on March 15. I have only just opened the letter today thus making any potential appeal I may send late. I was not checking the postbox as originally all the initial appeals and responses were going to and from Boox and it was just not on my radar. I am clearly not an MSC and have emails that should show that.

I am freaking out a bit by the face that I am late to make another appeal and what I should be doing as I am appealing on my own without Boox. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Guy Incognito]

Can anyone share how long did it take to get a response from HMRC after submitting an appeal?

Weeks - they did them in alphabetical order by company name.

[ritwolf]

Can anyone share how long did it take to get a response from HMRC after submitting an appeal?

[jamesbrown]

Might be a while off that yet as I don’t think a FTT sets case law. I am a lay person and could be wrong, of course.

Correct, no case law until UTTT and above, but the first one that gets to FTTT would presumably reach UTTT first too, assuming the funds are there (CK are making those noises) and there are still points to dispute (there will be, either way).

[GregRickshaw]

I think you are correct, but CK have money for at least the first two appeals as I understand things.

At least that and more. I am not sure though if Ck and Boox cases are the same anymore, after the posting a few pages back we saw from a new Boox client.
Seems at this stage just CK going to FTT (next year expected) and the test cases are being agreed over the next few weeks.

[Guy Incognito]

Might be a while off that yet as I don’t think a FTT sets case law. I am a lay person and could be wrong, of course.

I think you are correct, but CK have money for at least the first two appeals as I understand things.

[GregRickshaw]

Those of us with Boox are also pleased. CK can set case law that helps us.

Be good if Boox had helped out in the first place

[Fred Bloggs]

Those of us with Boox are also pleased. CK can set case law that helps us.

Might be a while off that yet as I don’t think a FTT sets case law. I am a lay person and could be wrong, of course.