Reply to: Would Jesus have backed gay marriage?

[d000hg]

It was clearly any sin. otherwise there would of been people who hadn't committed adultery selecting the nearest rock.

You could play "stoning bingo". "Let's see, I've stolen, cheated and avoided taxes... but that bloke's painting his house on the Sabath... get him"

[vetran]

That would mean his view on homosexuality would be that only those who hadn't practised homosexuality themselves were entitled to condemn homosexuals. Which was probably most people.

It was clearly any sin. otherwise there would of been people who hadn't committed adultery selecting the nearest rock.

[DodgyAgent]

No one here seems to have considered the possibility that Jesus was himself gay. His relationships were much more about men than they were about women (the disciples were all men as was John the baptist). I never read any bits in the bible about women "grasping his manhood" for example.

[d000hg]

When the mob wanted to stone the woman for adultery Jesus said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first the stone'. I like to think his view on Homosexuality would be similar, in that he would not condemn them and would not want us to condemn them, but rather we should all love one another as we love ourselves. Jesus was all about universal love, it was the later church run by men that got all high and mighty.

"Hate the sin not the sinner" is the common phrase. Jesus never said the adulteress woman hadn't done anything wrong, only pointed out that everyone else had too.

[VectraMan]

When the mob wanted to stone the woman for adultery Jesus said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first the stone'. I like to think his view on Homosexuality would be similar, in that he would not condemn them and would not want us to condemn them, but rather we should all love one another as we love ourselves. Jesus was all about universal love, it was the later church run by men that got all high and mighty.

That would mean his view on homosexuality would be that only those who hadn't practised homosexuality themselves were entitled to condemn homosexuals. Which was probably most people.

[BrilloPad]

When the mob wanted to stone the woman for adultery Jesus said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first the stone'. I like to think his view on Homosexuality would be similar, in that he would not condemn them and would not want us to condemn them, but rather we should all love one another as we love ourselves. Jesus was all about universal love, it was the later church run by men that got all high and mighty.

<cue the virgin Mary lobbing a huge rock>

[d000hg]

Isn't that what the pope does all the time?

I don't know, I don't follow the pope and I'm not a catholic.

Where does the new testament mention homosexuality as a sin?

Romans Romans 1:26-27:
“ For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

I have seen plenty of "Scientists" promote unproveable stuff. You are entitled to your personal opinion - but not to force it on others.

How do you "force an opinion on someone"? If I tell you my opinion have I forced it on you since you since you couldn't avoid hearing it?

[d000hg]

We will never know, but Christianity as a religion claim it is a sin

It's not as clearcut as you make out, if you look at the handful of verses that reference it.

and it mentions it many times in the New Testament.

Neither gay marriage nor gay love is mentioned in the bible, only gay sex.

Most real Christians believe this also

I would agree the current dominant view IS still that gay relationships are not right

and think homosexuals can be "healed".

Utterly untrue. Some do, not all or most. Some people claim they have been 'healed' but a certain cynicism is probably wise.

[sirja]

When the mob wanted to stone the woman for adultery Jesus said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first the stone'. I like to think his view on Homosexuality would be similar, in that he would not condemn them and would not want us to condemn them, but rather we should all love one another as we love ourselves. Jesus was all about universal love, it was the later church run by men that got all high and mighty.

[BrilloPad]

As for his views on same-sex relations or any other matter he doesn't speak on, insinuating what he would or would not have done is grounds for very dodgy theology

Isn't that what the pope does all the time? And how do we know what matters he spoke on or did not speak on? CoE and Catholic bibles are different. Suppose half the dead sea scrolls had not been burned?

We will never know, but Christianity as a religion claim it is a sin and it mentions it many times in the New Testament. Most real Christians believe this also and think homosexuals can be "healed". Like all other religions it is utter nonsense based on the writings of iron age idiots.

Where does the new testament mention homosexuality as a sin? Perhaps you should define what is a real Christian and how it differs from a non-real Christian.

I have seen plenty of "Scientists" promote unproveable stuff. You are entitled to your personal opinion - but not to force it on others.

[Unix]

We will never know, but Christianity as a religion claim it is a sin and it mentions it many times in the New Testament. Most real Christians believe this also and think homosexuals can be "healed". Like all other religions it is utter nonsense based on the writings of iron age idiots.

[d000hg]

Yep, he accepted every other persecuted group so he would have accepted homosexuals....

He accepted prostitutes and a lady who had been divorced 5 (IIRC) times. Acceptance and endorsement aren't the same thing; loving someone is not the same as condoning their actions.

So Jesus would 100% have loved and accepted gay people. As for his views on same-sex relations or any other matter he doesn't speak on, insinuating what he would or would not have done is grounds for very dodgy theology

[xoggoth]

Yeh. He was bumming St Peter, well known fact that. As factual as any of that claptrap anyway.

PS Going past a field of young bulls today and one attempted to mount another. Didn't get a proper response, poor thing, the other just walked out of the way.

PS Sorry d00000gh too many vodkas!

[speling bee]

2000 years ago? I doubt it. He was a product of his culture.

[eek]

Elton John: Jesus would have backed gay marriage - Telegraph

Would Jesus have backed gay marriage?

Yep, he accepted every other persecuted group so he would have accepted homosexuals....