Reply to: Amazon web services

[suityou01]

Well Nick, I've got to raise a couple of issues with the "dead easy" thing.

My gotchas :

Make sure you build the EC2 instance in the right region. Seems to default to Organ, US for some reason.

Don't expect once it's built for you to be given a user name and password to access it, or be able to specify one in the launch process. If you didn't ask for it to create a PEM file, you are stuffed and have to tear it down and start again.

Once you've set up VM, don't expect to be able to access it. Oh no. You've got an inbound route for port 80, so you're expecting when you slap the public DNS in your browser to see the apache welcome page. But you'd be wrong. No you have 2 firewalls to contend with, the crappy AWS one, and the inbuilt one that comes with RedHat. No they don't tell you this. Yes they both need to be configured seperately.

Also from last year's shenanigans, I wanted to upload a db backup to a linux instance, forget it.

Lots of folks online complaining about it as well, due to the complexity, flakiness and faff.

In all seriousness bud, just because the forum's top boffin finds it easy isn't much of an accolade.

[NickFitz]

This thread is why DevOps is bad and why us infra guys hate devs playing admin!

DevOps isn't about devs playing admin. It's pretty much the opposite: it's about admins being able to make sure that systems can cope with the requirements of devs, rather than hindering them through inflexible architectures and procedures. The primary goal of DevOps is that devs shouldn't have to do admin stuff.

[NickFitz]

Last time I set up an EC2 server on AWS - which was about ten days ago - I just had to go through the online forms, about five pages long, accepting the defaults for those things I didn't want to configure myself (such as security groups, as I already had one set up I wanted to add the server to - though it put that in a handy list for me to choose). A couple of minutes after that I had a fully-functioning web server running a Django app with PostgreSQL DB and an IP address pointed to by the A Name record of the domain I was using. I could have had a load balancer in front of it if I'd wanted, just by ticking a box. Tick another box, replicate the DB to a slave DB server in the Far East. And so on.

Seriously, it's dead easy if you just make use of all the stuff they've done to make the process automatable, like Elastic Beanstalk. I SSHed into the server once it was running, then realised there wasn't actually anything left for me to do in the shell, as it was all working just fine.

[vetran]

No this is:

I Know I shouldn't ask this but what were you searching for to find that????

[Sysman]

Why insecure ftp when scp is there?

Don't confuse 'im!

[vwdan]

Yep, agree. To be fair it is only a dev environment, and not production so the world won't stop turning.

Hats off to you infra guys.

To be fair, you'd hate to see what I do in C# and you'd probably cry at some of the scripts I've got knocking about out there, so I guess it equals out

[/I]That gig went on for 3 years (@900/day.) Happy times.

Oh, I take it all back. Suity, call me!

[nomadd]

This thread is why DevOps is bad and why us infra guys hate devs playing admin!

Day one on a gig for a large Financial a few years back. Was informed the outsourced Indian developers had done the Production server builds. I said I thought that was a bad idea. The outsourcing company thought otherwise and reported my comments to management in the hope of getting me a ticking off.

I responded by email directly to client-co management with a one-liner: It has taken less than five minutes to figure out the root passwords of all your Production servers - do you consider this to be a problem?

That gig went on for 3 years (@900/day.) Happy times.

[suityou01]

This thread is why DevOps is bad and why us infra guys hate devs playing admin!

Yep, agree. To be fair it is only a dev environment, and not production so the world won't stop turning.

Hats off to you infra guys.

[vwdan]

This thread is why DevOps is bad and why us infra guys hate devs playing admin!

[nomadd]

Still a bag of

Nope, it's an overcomplicated bag of wank.

Being a legend I still managed to stand up a Red Hat box and get Lamp sparked, and configured the FTP Server.

User accounts?
Directory permissions?
Apache config?
Red hat internal firewall?
AWS security groups, and routes?

Seriously though, why do Amazon need to rename things and make things more complicated than they need to be?

Why call it "elastic ip"? What not call a firewall a firewall, a spade a spade, an ip an ip.

Wouldn't happen with Azure

Have you considered hiring a Contractor?

[suityou01]

Don't need to go to specsavers, you revealed your password to me when you connected to your ftp server

Seriously though, why do Amazon need to rename things and make things more complicated than they need to be?

Why call it "elastic ip"? What not call a firewall a firewall, a spade a spade, an ip an ip.

Wouldn't happen with Azure

[administrator]

Should have gone to specsavers. I already posted it's done.

Don't need to go to specsavers, you revealed your password to me when you connected to your ftp server

[suityou01]

You are stuck in the past mate. Being a legend doesn't always mean sticking with what you know. If learning something hurts then maybe you are in the wrong industry...

Should have gone to specsavers. I already posted it's done.

[administrator]

Nope, it's an overcomplicated bag of wank.

Being a legend I still managed to stand up a Red Hat box and get Lamp sparked, and configured the FTP Server.

You are stuck in the past mate. Being a legend doesn't always mean sticking with what you know. If learning something hurts then maybe you are in the wrong industry...

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Surprised that amazon are not top notch at anything. I pretty much buy everything from them and love their service.