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Previously on "What X day rate do you stick in a pension?"

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  • Zero Liability
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    I am considering putting some of my money in commodities (including and especially gold & silver, c. 20% for all; Rogers International Commodities Index seems like a good starting point), c. 10% in P2P lending for passive income generation as it's better than nearly any savings account/bond even accounting for its risk, c. 25% in stock markets in emerging countries and economies with good growth prospects, the rest in stocks in solid Western firms providing vital goods and services and paying good dividends. Also considering putting some into REITs to gain exposure to the property market. Commercial real estate is one area touted to have good growth prospects and to provide good diversification from stock markets, as well as REITs specialised in ground rents. A bit in BTC as a speculative punt would not go amiss, either.

    I have a subscription to CXO Advisory but I haven't really taken the time yet to see what their investment recommendations are. They seem to go with an ETF based strategy that allegedly makes good returns.

    Like Cojak, I think I am a bit "paralysed" with this stuff. But you have to start somewhere.
    Last edited by Zero Liability; 6 March 2014, 17:21.

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  • mudskipper
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    How did you research this MS? I must admit that I'm paralysed atm because all this stuff frightens me a bit. I know that I should get this all organised but I have no idea where to start...
    I have to confess that I've no real idea what I'm doing.

    HL have some excellent guides, and offer suggestions for where to invest your pension fund SIPP investment ideas | SIPP investment ideas from our research team | Hargreaves Lansdown, as well as telling you where others have invested. Where do people invest their SIPPs? | Most popular funds invested in the Vantage SIPP | Hargreaves Lansdown

    I kind of did a mixture of the suggestions and what others had, and hope that others know what they're doing! TBH, it can't be doing much worse than it was.

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  • cojak
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    Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
    I moved mine into a SIPP last December, so do feel much more in control. Prior to that, I got a statement once a year where the amount never seemed to increase very much, and I had no idea where stuff was invested. Now I log in daily to see how rich I am - currently it's around 3% up on December, so reasonable growth for 3 months, if that continues!
    How did you research this MS? I must admit that I'm paralysed atm because all this stuff frightens me a bit. I know that I should get this all organised but I have no idea where to start...

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  • ASB
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    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    If it is one thing I have learned it is never give money to others to manage on my behalf. Unless you enjoy a Public sector pension it is far better to take the hit on taxed income to have full control of any investments you make over your working life. My mother died before she could enjoy any benefit & my fathers pension was burned through paying £900 @week in care home fees.
    The Govt. is planning another raid on pensions by limiting the cash amount that can be taken tax free so all seems a pretty pointless exercise - with investing yourself in either shares or property you have full control & assets that you can hand on to your children
    It certainly can be. Remember a -pension is primarily tax deference; the only real benefit arise from the 25% lump sum tax free (which as you say is under threat again). That gives you about 6% effective gain.

    The other substantial benefit can come from being a higher rate taxpayer whilst contributing, but a basic rate taxpayer in retirement. There is obviously rather less flexibility on how a pension is used.

    In terms of trying to maximize I would think the most appropriate way (with total taxation as the driver) is:-

    1) Pension contributions up to no more than your personal allowance (because you get tax releif going into the pension even though no tax was suffered in the firstplace)
    2) Full ISA allowance used
    3) Pension contributions from company to keep income down into basic rate band.

    Depends on individual circumstances of course.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by Dallas View Post
    Lewis cashed in and bailed? He was the one who kept it honest (initially) so now it may not be and advertising will kick in? Thats pants.
    I thought he was still involved even after the sale.

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  • Pondlife
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    Originally posted by doodab View Post
    I think I might have to register moneyspunkingexpert as I have a lot of useful advice to give on the subject.
    Pretty sure someone on here will already have spunkingexpert.com and so they might do you a deal on a subdomain.

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  • cojak
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    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    Just as an aside.. does anyone still trust Money Saving Expert since it was sold to Money Supermarket group
    No more or less than any other freebie website - their forums are quite good and offer reasonable advice (I like the 'get out of debt' ones - it seems that saving money can be quite addictive).

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  • Dallas
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    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    Just as an aside.. does anyone still trust Money Saving Expert since it was sold to Money Supermarket group
    Lewis cashed in and bailed? He was the one who kept it honest (initially) so now it may not be and advertising will kick in? Thats pants.

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  • doodab
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    Originally posted by Troll View Post
    Just as an aside.. does anyone still trust Money Saving Expert since it was sold to Money Supermarket group
    I think I might have to register moneyspunkingexpert as I have a lot of useful advice to give on the subject.

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  • Troll
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    Martin Lewis says that you should take your age, half it and then use the figure as a percentage of your salary for pension contribution.

    I'm not sure if it's simple enough just to use this percentage against your day rate since you can't rely on being in contract throughout out the year. You probably need to calculate expected yearly income and work from that.

    (But if you put a lump sum in at the beginning of the year...)
    Just as an aside.. does anyone still trust Money Saving Expert since it was sold to Money Supermarket group

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    Martin Lewis says that you should take your age, half it and then use the figure as a percentage of your salary for pension contribution.

    I'm not sure if it's simple enough just to use this percentage against your day rate since you can't rely on being in contract throughout out the year. You probably need to calculate expected yearly income and work from that.

    (But if you put a lump sum in at the beginning of the year...)
    Do we take is this assumes you have no other savings or investments such as BTL's?

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  • scooterscot
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    Martin Lewis says that you should take your age, half it and then use the figure as a percentage of your salary for pension contribution.

    I'm not sure if it's simple enough just to use this percentage against your day rate since you can't rely on being in contract throughout out the year. You probably need to calculate expected yearly income and work from that.

    (But if you put a lump sum in at the beginning of the year...)
    It would seem quite a conservative approach to use a sliding scale with age with the only downside your net contributions are indeed stifling your ability to live beyond your means, which so many of us currently do.

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  • lukemg
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    What Cojak Says - Half your age as a percentage and yes this means your full revenue, not wage.
    Note - See this is as a reserve, not just a pension, so I would be very tempted to max out ISA allowance each year first, unless you need to get coin out of the business, which a SIPP will defo help with.
    Oh and NOT cash ISA, waste of time.
    Trust me – Once this starts to compound up and you find yourself with a decent pot and immune from the vagaries of having to work miles away or for total nobbers, it feels great.
    To avoid charges I have just finished switching a big chunk into VWRL - all world ETF (exchange traded fund) as a nice foundation. This is with a view to an allocation along these lines across the lot.
    US+Canada 15% VWRL
    Eur 12% VEUX
    AsiaPac 13% VAPX
    UK 50% VWRL + HYP of individual shares
    REIT 4.0% VWRL + FCPT
    Emerging 6.0% VWRL + Aberdeen emerging markets fund.

    I will then look to rebalance annually alongside monthly PCA payments, hopefully meaning I am buying whichever is looking lower to avoid buying too much at the top.
    If this all seems too much trouble – consider a Vanguard 80/20 lifestyle fund, this is a one-stop shop, setup a SIPP, put the lot in this and start automatic monthly payments (or an ISA). They do the rebalance and if you can hold your nerve for 10 years (minimum) you will do fine.
    Oh – check out Monevator for someone who talks sense and thinks like you should....
    GLA

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  • SimonMac
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    Martin Lewis says that you should take your age, half it and then use the figure as a percentage of your salary for pension contribution.
    As we are only on £10k a year I don't think that works for us

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  • cojak
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    Martin Lewis says that you should take your age, half it and then use the figure as a percentage of your salary for pension contribution.

    I'm not sure if it's simple enough just to use this percentage against your day rate since you can't rely on being in contract throughout out the year. You probably need to calculate expected yearly income and work from that.

    (But if you put a lump sum in at the beginning of the year...)

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