Reply to: FGM - why?? FFS Why?

[vetran]

Ex - Mrs hyperD, is that you? The cold, calculating Cyborg Queen, collective of my hard earned estate?

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[hyperD]

I work with computers more than people.

Ex - Mrs hyperD, is that you? The cold, calculating Cyborg Queen, collective of my hard earned estate?

[SueEllen]

That is such a lame response that it needs quoting for posterity.

You are welcome to quote it.

I work with computers more than people.

[vetran]

Well presumably only a virtual future as Dactylion isn't actually "me".....

well played my imaginary friend!

[Dactylion]

You have a real future on this board in Pedants corner!

Well presumably only a virtual future as Dactylion isn't actually "me".....

[vetran]

Sorry I still disagree!

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Conversely the objective measure of "too loud" might be perfectly acceptable to a different neighbour.

You have a real future on this board in Pedants corner!

[amcdonald]

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

Even being too tall can be considered a breech of the peace, according to plod

[Churchill]

Since I've known about it since I was a teen - woman's mags sometimes do have useful information in them - I've done some of my bit already by telling other Western women about it.

That is such a lame response that it needs quoting for posterity.

[xoggoth]

Again, why? Why should your private life not be governed in any sense? Where does this basic premise come from that you so boldly state?

In the absence of any "higher laws" the best statement comes from the US constitution - We hold these things to be self evident ...blah blah (ignore the creator bit) ...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We may not know why, but we do know what things make us happy, the instincts and needs and desires that nature has given us. It makes sense to go with those - to satisfy our own desires and also to cooperate towards making a decent society that we all want to live in. There is less happiness when a society intrudes too far into our personal lives, as in some dictatorships, overbearing communist and religious states, or when there is too much emphasis on the human rights of individuals to the detriment of others, as in ours.

[Dactylion]

Its not subjective it is measured using using calibrated noise meters.

Actually getting the council to do this is quite hard.

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

Sorry I still disagree!
You said "too loud for the neighbours" implying that it was the neighbours view of "too loud" that counted.

I accept that both "too loud" and "too loud loud for the neighbours" might be in breach of laws/bylaws etc.

It is perfectly possible that measurement by the equipment you mention would confirm that the music didn't meet the objective criteria of "too loud" (as defined in the laws/bylaws etc) that wouldn't alter the subjective view of the neighbour.
Conversely the objective measure of "too loud" might be perfectly acceptable to a different neighbour.

[vetran]

Slight amendment there:
"too loud" is somewhat subjective.
"too loud for the neighbours" is very subjective.

Its not subjective it is measured using using calibrated noise meters.

Actually getting the council to do this is quite hard.

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

[d000hg]

It's bad law if it's intruding on personal and private freedoms when they affect nobody else.

Again, why? Why should your private life not be governed in any sense? Where does this basic premise come from that you so boldly state?

[Dactylion]

You can happily play Music loud in private, when it is too loud for the neighbours you aremay be breaking the some laws, bylaws or contractual terms.

Slight amendment there:
"too loud" is somewhat subjective.
"too loud for the neighbours" is very subjective.

[vetran]

Good points.

I'm asking why/if you feel it is a basic right that you should be able to do whatever you want in private?
I actually thought you were perhaps coming at this from a personal privacy angle rather than personal freedom - if you listen to the people blathering about PRISM and NSA and Google on the web you'd get the idea that privacy is something that is a fundamental human right, and I don't know where that believe comes from.

As for personal freedom... if you're breaking the law in secret you're still breaking the law. Most people prefer to break the law in private, otherwise they get caught!

Article 8 of the Yuman rights act. among others.

I suspect Xoggy was talking about legal activities and quasi legal (e.g. BDSM) not chopping up your loved ones, though reading his tales that may be optional.

You can happily play Music loud in private, when it is too loud for the neighbours you are breaking the law.

[xoggoth]

if you're breaking the law in secret you're still breaking the law

It's bad law if it's intruding on personal and private freedoms when they affect nobody else. No more than most things do anyway, just sitting watching TV too much has consequences for NHS expenditure.