Reply to: The oncoming wave - we have no idea

[MyUserName]

What about by the time they reach 16, how much will their parents have paid/contributed to the government?

Children also provide a massive market for clothes, toys, furniture, television, films etc.

[xoggoth]

Simply having lived in a poor country with no welfare safety net is no guarantee of a work ethic. Some, like the Chinese or Poles, do seem to have it, their relative poverty is just a consequence of their communist past. Others, given the state of their country, the fact that they greatly lag other nations with similar history and that they have absorbed billions of aid with no real effect clearly do not.

Racism and exclusion is always blamed but the reality is that success or failure or migrants in the West generally reflects the state of the nations they came from. Compare success here of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis with the relative growth of those nations. Similarly those from more successful Western African countries like Ghana with those from the poorer Eastern ones like Somalia. The least successful groups in the West are black, as are all the world's poorest nations. All coincidence?

[The Spartan]

By the time a UK-born national reaches age 16, have a guess how much they have cost the govt?

What about by the time they reach 16, how much will their parents have paid/contributed to the government?

[evilagent]

Back into 2 wrongs make a right territory.

it was a comparison. a context. a frame of reference.

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

For all those border-line racist comments, it might be worthwhile considering that ANYONE under the age of 16 is a burden on the state.

Back into 2 wrongs make a right territory.

[evilagent]

There is a fairly detailed report by the CIPD (Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development) on the state of migration, in the context of jobs, opportunities, education and training.
It details the rates of change of employment prospects between UK-born and non-UK born nationals.
As well as the kinds of jobs being taken up, etc.

You have to sign up to the CIPD to get the report, all 27 pages of it.
There is also a regional breakdown as well.

Coming from a country where there are no social nets, it is not surprising non-UK nationals are willing to do minimum wage jobs, whereas UK-born nationals may stick their noses up at chances to work.
This impacts their ability to gain experience, develop networks, and upgrade to a better job later.

For all those border-line racist comments, it might be worthwhile considering that ANYONE under the age of 16 is a burden on the state.
Until such time they start working and paying tax, they cost the govt in terms of child allowances, education costs, health costs, housing costs, etc.

By the time a UK-born national reaches age 16, have a guess how much they have cost the govt?

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

It's not racism, it's culturalism and race replacement and to be honest I don't like it one bit and for all the pontificating on here, no-one else I speak to who is British likes it either. That is the honest truth.

Hear hear. It's this whole business of parts of our cities (albeit small parts) beginning to resemble the back streets of Karachi or Mogadishu. One of the latest stories doing the rounds in Bristol is how Somalis are slaughtering goats in their back gardens. Uncorroborated but then again, the BBC is hardly going to broadcast it.

No, I don't like it either.

[Lockhouse]

ask Punjabis - they are likely to be the most opposing to hordes from eastern Europe. far more than you are.

But this is Britain, not India. To be honest I don't care what anyone else thinks.

[mos]

I'm posting this from home and after a few pints but any sane person does not want hordes of Romanians and Bulgarians to come over here bringing their way of life with them. Seriously, it's bad enough as it is. I had to move from London when my daughter who was the only white kid in her year started bringing home books in Punjabi. It's not racism, it's culturalism and race replacement and to be honest I don't like it one bit and for all the pontificating on here, no-one else I speak to who is British likes it either. That is the honest truth.

ask Punjabis - they are likely to be the most opposing to hordes from eastern Europe. far more than you are.

[Lockhouse]

I'm posting this from home and after a few pints but any sane person does not want hordes of Romanians and Bulgarians to come over here bringing their way of life with them. Seriously, it's bad enough as it is. I had to move from London when my daughter who was the only white kid in her year started bringing home books in Punjabi. It's not racism, it's culturalism and race replacement and to be honest I don't like it one bit and for all the pontificating on here, no-one else I speak to who is British likes it either. That is the honest truth.

[mos]

I was under the impression that, apart from those rich buggers who can afford to live in places like Kensington and Islington, most of the wealth-makers in London commute in from the stockbroker belt and beyond. I wouldn't have thought many come from popular immigrant resorts like Tower Hamlets.

+1

[Doggy Styles]

Funny, then, that London's booming economy, whose inhabitants are 40% foreign, tends to subsidise the rest of the country according to all the data available.

look at the table in this link:
London's taxes prop up the rest of the UK: One pound in every five earned in the capital funds the rest of the country | This is Money

Sadly the facts do not match your prejudices.
It looks like foreigners in London are keeping natives in the provinces in the manner to which they are accustomed: i.e. unproductive public sector jobs, council houses and plasma TVs.

I was under the impression that, apart from those rich buggers who can afford to live in places like Kensington and Islington, most of the wealth-makers in London commute in from the stockbroker belt and beyond.

I wouldn't have thought many come from popular immigrant resorts like Tower Hamlets.

[xoggoth]

If only they were full of skilled people just temporarily residing there until they moved up. Not true of far too many in those areas unfortunately, the problems go back generations.

Half of UK's young black males are unemployed | Society | The Guardian

[vetran]

Isn't that because they are the cheapest places to live in so new arrivals go there to save money?

No the cheapest places to live are in the north. They tried putting them up there they all moved back.

Key point is London provides existing Ghettos so they have their countrymen near to them and low skilled work that the locals are paid not to do.

[eek]

in London, like Tower Hamlets, Tottenham, Southwark, Enfield, Lambeth, Hackney and Harrow are generally those with the highest proportions of ethnic minorities.

Isn't that because they are the cheapest places to live in so new arrivals go there to save money?