Reply to: Starting work without signed contract

[Scoobos]

How do you get them reviewed for IR35? ... Oh wait.... never mind.

I even added NLUK protection to that post

Seriously though, I said I don't get my contracts SIGNED before I start, not that I don't get one at all.

[SueEllen]

I am operating as a business and am not a disguised employee pretending to be a business. I usually have multiple simultaneous contracts. I work at home or at client site according to how I view the business need. I control my own work. Quibbling over the terminology as to when the client may reasonably refuse a sub is of little interest to me.

It's not the IR35 clauses which are normally in contacts that bother me its the others like payment. There are some people on here who have ageed to 45 day payment terms simply because they haven't read or seen the contract.

This is why I always must see a contract before starting especially if the contract is through an agency.

[EternalOptimist]

Never ceases to amze me. Unless you are working to IR35 or umbrella or dont give a toss about your T&C's, HTF can you operate as a business?

WRT starting work without a contract, I just wonder how many people dont bother getting confirmation when they book hotel. Or just drive without making sure they have insurance.

Absolute crazy.

I have stayed in many hotels. Quite often I pay when I leave. They have abolutely no guarantee that they will eventually get paid, they have no guarantee that I will not steal the telly or leave a big mess in the fridge.
I have no idea if the hotel is under a fight path or next to a noisy disco or if the roof will leak.

I make a quick judgement. so do they. I dont ask to see the certificate of indemnity, or their articles.

Sometimes it goes horribly wrong, mostly it goes ok. It's a risk.

To call taking a risk absolutely crazy is, well...absolutely crazy.


you are a fool BB

[speling bee]

Shouldn't that be error-ridden.

I liked the error / bullet metaphor.

[NotAllThere]

Shouldn't that be error-ridden.

[EternalOptimist]

Once again I'm the black sheep.

I often start contracts without them being signed, because the agents seem not to care about anything other than the client signing.

Agents , in my view, do sod all and what they do do (other than the initial pitch and placement) is slow and error riddled.

baaaa. me too

[d000hg]

Never ceases to amze me. Unless you are working to IR35 or umbrella or dont give a toss about your T&C's, HTF can you operate as a business?

WRT starting work without a contract, I just wonder how many people dont bother getting confirmation when they book hotel. Or just drive without making sure they have insurance.

Absolute crazy.

You really should be able to tell if your contract is IR35-friendly. If you don't, how can you possibly make sure the actual working conditions are?

[speling bee]

Never ceases to amze me. Unless you are working to IR35 or umbrella or dont give a toss about your T&C's, HTF can you operate as a business?

WRT starting work without a contract, I just wonder how many people dont bother getting confirmation when they book hotel. Or just drive without making sure they have insurance.

Absolute crazy.

I am operating as a business and am not a disguised employee pretending to be a business. I usually have multiple simultaneous contracts. I work at home or at client site according to how I view the business need. I control my own work. Quibbling over the terminology as to when the client may reasonably refuse a sub is of little interest to me.

[BolshieBastard]

I don't get contracts reviewed.

Never ceases to amze me. Unless you are working to IR35 or umbrella or dont give a toss about your T&C's, HTF can you operate as a business?

WRT starting work without a contract, I just wonder how many people dont bother getting confirmation when they book hotel. Or just drive without making sure they have insurance.

Absolute crazy.

[speling bee]

And you starting on site without a signed contract makes all this acceptable?

You shouldn't give a stuff what anyone things. You get a contract signed and get your own ass covered. **** everyone else and their poor attitudes.

How do you get them reviewed for IR35? ... Oh wait.... never mind.

I don't get contracts reviewed.

[northernladuk]

Once again I'm the black sheep.

I often start contracts without them being signed, because the agents seem not to care about anything other than the client signing.

Agents , in my view, do sod all and what they do do (other than the initial pitch and placement) is slow and error riddled.

And you starting on site without a signed contract makes all this acceptable?

You shouldn't give a stuff what anyone things. You get a contract signed and get your own ass covered. **** everyone else and their poor attitudes.

How do you get them reviewed for IR35? ... Oh wait.... never mind.

[BlasterBates]

I would start the gig without signing. If the client lets you on site there is proof that there is a bonafide contract.

In my view unless you really do have something better to do at home or an alternative contract you're throwing money down the drain.

There's a slight risk that the client might cancel, but what have you got to lose, apart from some afternoon telly and in any case a verbal contract is a legally binding contract. I mean if you have the opportunity to go surfing on Bondi Beach I would certainly do that....but it is October and you're in the UK.

Of course check with the agency before you go in. If you turn up and the start date is next week you'll have a wasted journey.

[speling bee]

Once again I'm the black sheep.

I often start contracts without them being signed, because the agents seem not to care about anything other than the client signing.

Agents , in my view, do sod all and what they do do (other than the initial pitch and placement) is slow and error riddled.

I will be starting a gig on Wednesday without a contract but I know the intermediary consultancy and end client very well.

[Scoobos]

Once again I'm the black sheep.

I often start contracts without them being signed, because the agents seem not to care about anything other than the client signing.

Agents , in my view, do sod all and what they do do (other than the initial pitch and placement) is slow and error riddled.

[badger7579]

I wouldn't even entertain turning up on site without a signed contract being in place first. In the past I have started 1 to 2 days later than the client expected because the dopey agent didn't sort the contract out on time