Reply to: Time to revisit HS2?

[Gibbon]

But but but surely the Tory scum can make sure that the upgrades only benefit their constituencies?

I don't think many Tory voters are between Leeds and the capital of the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire.

[Gibbon]

Seeing as this was supposed to go through my back garden I would consider this a boom

HS2 rail extension to Leeds set to be scrapped

Spend the money upgrading the Trans Pennine link, would make a much bigger impact.

I'd seen revised plans that it was going to be a tunnel under Eshald lane.

[DoctorStrangelove]

But but but surely the Tory scum can make sure that the upgrades only benefit their constituencies?

[eek]

Seeing as this was supposed to go through my back garden I would consider this a boom

HS2 rail extension to Leeds set to be scrapped

Spend the money upgrading the Trans Pennine link, would make a much bigger impact.

That's been cut down to a few improvements as well - rather than the proposed completely new line via Bradford.

[SimonMac]

Seeing as this was supposed to go through my back garden I would consider this a boom

HS2 rail extension to Leeds set to be scrapped

Spend the money upgrading the Trans Pennine link, would make a much bigger impact.

[LondonManc]

The piece of the jigsaw missing is the east-west main line. Liverpool - Leeds (Hull?). It will be quicker to go to Birmingham and out to Leeds after HS2 than to use the 'Direct line'. Add in the Freight and this route makes extremely good sense and any relief on the M62 will save lives and huge sums of money.

Spot on, been saying this for years. Liverpool, Warrington (a WCML interchange), Manchester, Halifax, Leeds, A.N.Other ECML interchange, Hull.

Improve the car parking/roads around Warrington, too, and you can simply pull off the M6, park up and be in Liverpool or Manchester within 15 minutes rather than having to drive in.

[NigelJK]

The piece of the jigsaw missing is the east-west main line. Liverpool - Leeds (Hull?). It will be quicker to go to Birmingham and out to Leeds after HS2 than to use the 'Direct line'. Add in the Freight and this route makes extremely good sense and any relief on the M62 will save lives and huge sums of money.

[d000hg]

It seemed to suggest Manc - London would be cut from 2 hours to 1 hour which really is significant, other journeys it didn't seem anywhere near as drastic.

Meanwhile the new Azuma (or is it Zumba?) trains on the East coast are going to also make a big difference though I forget the numbers.

[LondonManc]

First Class is supposedly used to lower prices for the Kettle Klass.

However, even the Kattle Klass now costs like £160 from Bham-London at peak time (which starts at 3pm from London), First Class is I think £250, so the price differential is very small now, one would have thought that there would be less First Class carriages now because more money can be made from the Kattle Klass...

Fewer

Log off again squirrelworrier.

[AtW]

First Class is supposedly used to lower prices for the Kettle Klass.

However, even the Kattle Klass now costs like £160 from Bham-London at peak time (which starts at 3pm from London), First Class is I think £250, so the price differential is very small now, one would have thought that there would be less First Class carriages now because more money can be made from the Kattle Klass...

[MrMarkyMark]

To be fair, he'd probably be happier with fuller trains and more favourable reviews. I'd imagine 80% capacity in first class would be better for him.

But isn't the reality 50% of First Class isn't taken up to give them more room.
I'm sure that is the case, otherwise they wouldn't run so many empty ones?

[LondonManc]

I bet Mr Bransons more than happy with them

To be fair, he'd probably be happier with fuller trains and more favourable reviews. I'd imagine 80% capacity in first class would be better for him.

[MrMarkyMark]

Typical first class fare, as follows. Booking now, to come down next Monday for a 9am start in the City and finish at 5pm on Friday, leaving as soon as I get to Euston on the first available train:
£177 to London, £237.50 to Manchester
If they ran trains direct to Manchester with no other stops at least every half hour, they could fill them and wouldn't need to worry about split-ticket garbage or people "wasting" a seat by getting off at MK.

I bet Mr Bransons more than happy with them

[LondonManc]

Certainly not annoying for those in 1st class, they certainly don't want to have to sit next to anyone

Typical first class fare, as follows. Booking now, to come down next Monday for a 9am start in the City and finish at 5pm on Friday, leaving as soon as I get to Euston on the first available train:
£177 to London, £237.50 to Manchester
If they ran trains direct to Manchester with no other stops at least every half hour, they could fill them and wouldn't need to worry about split-ticket garbage or people "wasting" a seat by getting off at MK.

[MrMarkyMark]

The annoying thing is that the standard class carriages are packed on a weekday morning, yet first class is, as BB says, rarely more than 40% full.

Certainly not annoying for those in 1st class, they certainly don't want to have to sit next to anyone