Reply to: A quick question for all you mechanical engineers out there.

[Wodewick]

There's Ken Clarke and... no, can't think of any more?

.....but Ken is a *big beast" from that era!

[gingerjedi]

Patriotism, principals, passion, belief - none of them even comprehend the concepts.
OK possibly a bit unfair - I am sure there are some politicians that do still have honour etc but there are a lot of snouts in troughs!

In the good old days you knew most politicians believed in what they said - You might not agree with them but thats a different issue. Labour, Tory and even Libs seemed to actually mean what they said.

Possibly a touch of rose tinted specs for the good old days, but not totally.

There's Ken Clarke and... no, can't think of any more?

[Wodewick]

Yep, Hezzer quit because the old witch wanted to flog us off to the yanks.

I can't image any politician being so patriotic these days, they'd sell us all off to bob to keep global corps happy.

Patriotism, principals, passion, belief - none of them even comprehend the concepts.
OK possibly a bit unfair - I am sure there are some politicians that do still have honour etc but there are a lot of snouts in troughs!

In the good old days you knew most politicians believed in what they said - You might not agree with them but thats a different issue. Labour, Tory and even Libs seemed to actually mean what they said.

Possibly a touch of rose tinted specs for the good old days, but not totally.

[gingerjedi]

I remember them - Wasn't there a tincy, wincy little <ahem> thing with a certain Mr Heseltine?

Yep, Hezzer quit because the old witch wanted to flog us off to the yanks.

I can't image any politician being so patriotic these days, they'd sell us all off to bob to keep global corps happy.

[Wodewick]

Lynx, Puma, Gazelle, Merlin/EH101

Westland Helicopters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good old days.

I remember them - Wasn't there a tincy, wincy little <ahem> thing with a certain Mr Heseltine?

[gingerjedi]

Origami??

Lynx, Puma, Gazelle, Merlin/EH101

Westland Helicopters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good old days.

[Wodewick]

I used to make helicopter from drawings.

Origami??

[gingerjedi]

The word you are looking for is "deviation"

WHS^

On engineering drawings you have RFD's (requests for deviation). The manufacturer or customer will submit a case for the change and the authority that approves this will sign the change and this will be noted on a table of RFD's with a new version number.

I used to make helicopters from drawings.

[fullyautomatix]

The word you are looking for is "deviation"

[zharrt]

You'ed think that wouldn't you? Sadly, I've just had to explain that very point to a Change Manager.

Their comment: ".... it will be a deviation from ITIL V3 guidelines"

Let me guess, this was someone who has been in the organisation for years and be given the title change manager because they used to do something similar before the Org introduced ITIL?

[cojak]

Thanks chaps (and you too zharrt )

[cojak]

As ITIL is only a framework rather than hard and fast rules, isn't some deviation expected?

You'ed think that wouldn't you? Sadly, I've just had to explain that very point to a Change Manager.

Their comment: ".... it will be a deviation from ITIL V3 guidelines"

[Gibbon]

In aero engineering it's called a Process Deviation.

[Troll]

Buzz. Repetition of "Process". Is it my turn now?

On a serious note I know what Cojak is after, but don't know the official phrase. The building industry also has a specific phrase here (which is how they bill for changes to the original spec and actually make a profit on a contract won on a cut throat bid).

Buzz. Repetition of "phrase"

[DaveB]

In your Workbooks (I think) you put a note in your designs when something deviates from best practice/standard/whatever. The note states what you changed, why you changed it and the risk assessment.

Is that note called a deviation note or notice?

I have to do something similar for an ITIL process and I'd like to use the correct term.

Buzz. Repetition of "Process". Is it my turn now?

On a serious note I know what Cojak is after, but don't know the official phrase. The building industry also has a specific phrase here (which is how they bill for changes to the original spec and actually make a profit on a contract won on a cut throat bid).

In contract terms it's a Variance.

Client wants a change that is out scope of the contract or spec so agree a cost with the supplier (usually extortionate) and it gets added to the contract as a Variance on the original contract.