Reply to: Spring forward, fall back

[NotAllThere]

<shudder>.

Still, easier to barbecue, I suppose.

Iwas more worried that "Gibbous" was a part of female anatomy that my wife hadn't told me about...

[SueEllen]

The computer and my telly set top box both made the change at 2 am. Except for the microwave*, oven and my wristwatch, everything else switches automatically.

One of my wristwatches (Ok the only one that works at the moment) has a Daylight saving button. All I do is set the time and set this function to "On" and it automatically advances.

[Numpty]

Is Gibbous one of your guinea pigs? It seems a bit cruel.

<shudder>.

Still, easier to barbecue, I suppose.

[NotAllThere]

Railway labourers working the night shift when the clocks change get paid the same regardless of whether it is 7 hours (spring) or 9 hours (autumn). No-one wants to to get the latter shift, of coure.

... - currently waxing Gibbous in case you're interested.

Is Gibbous one of your guinea pigs? It seems a bit cruel.

[gingerjedi]

I think that here it goes forward at 2. Otherwise the pubs would have to shut an hour earlier

I was up a club in the early 90's where the Police stormed in at 1:00am to shut the bar, they insisted it was now 2:00am which of course it was due to the clocks changing. And they wondered why they had a problem relating to the youth?

The club owner made a point of staying open till 3:00am in the autumn.

[Drewster]

I've got an alarm/DAB radio thingy at home that resets automatically..... which I use every day (well when I am there)... I set my wrist watch by this.

I have also got a few dozen other thingys (DVDs, Ovens, Microwaves, Hi-Fis, Clocks etc) that possibly an hour out for 1/2 the year or more likely are never correct cos I never use them to find the time.......

[Sysman]

(It seems obvious that one should be able to move the clock both forwards and backwards, yet moving a digital clock embedded in a consumer appliance backwards is often not possible; if this is due to a limitation of the underlying hardware, Zeity might be able to explain it.)

Subject to Zeity's input, it's probably down to saving 10 cents of manufacturing costs on another button.

[Sysman]

My clock is one of those radio controlled ones that re-sets itself. Its great, it even tells you the phases of the moon - currently waxing Gibbous in case you're interested.

I've got an alarm clock like that, except instead of the phases it shows how full the moon is. My theory is that there's something in the water here, as full moon definitely brings out the local loonies and it's time to stay at home. This feature of the alarm clock is rather useful.

The computer and my telly set top box both made the change at 2 am. Except for the microwave*, oven and my wristwatch, everything else switches automatically.

* I don't know what it is about the wretched microwave, but I need to get the instructions out twice a year (and when there's a power cut) to change the time on that.

[cojak]

My clock is one of those radio controlled ones that re-sets itself. Its great, it even tells you the phases of the moon - currently waxing Gibbous in case you're interested.

Hmm.. probably was a good idea to skip the diving invite for this weekend, then...

[Pogle]

My clock is one of those radio controlled ones that re-sets itself. Its great, it even tells you the phases of the moon - currently waxing Gibbous in case you're interested.

[cojak]

Don't forget to switch to British Summer Time tonight, i.e. to wind your chronographs forward at 01.00 a.m. tomorrow (Sunday) morning, for UK subjects that are currently at GMT + 0. So that will mean you will have an hour's less kip before getting up to 'watch' the F1 racing at the ungoldly hour of 6 a.m. BST (or 5 a.m. GMT in old money) on Sunday morning, though the race doesn't doesn't kick off until 7.00 BST (and a bit later for Hamilton). The good news is that the days will seem to last longer from now on, which isn't a bad price to pay for a bit less sleep tonight.

Thanks for the nod!

[NickFitz]

I remember reading somewhere of a VCR that had a special button to set the clock back one hour in the autumn, to cater for the change from Daylight Saving Time (or BST, as we call it in the remaining bit of the civilised world). The manufacturers were castigated for not having another button to move it one hour forward in the spring.

Of course, the clock-setting functions already allowed one to move the time forward by one hour, which is why the designers saw no need to provide the inverse of the functionality they had provided to cater for the "special case" of autumn - which was only a special case because one could only advance the time on the clock, not move it back.

(It seems obvious that one should be able to move the clock both forwards and backwards, yet moving a digital clock embedded in a consumer appliance backwards is often not possible; if this is due to a limitation of the underlying hardware, Zeity might be able to explain it.)

The lesson, as I understand it, is that if you provide a user interface for performing a reversible operation in a certain context, you need to provide for the user to reverse that operation in the same context.

By distinguishing the act of setting the clock back one hour for the end of DST, the designers had created an expectation in the users' mental model of the appliance that there would be a way of setting the clock forward at the start of DST. The usual mechanism for setting the clock forward was not part of the user's mental model of how the machine dealt with DST, which was an activity that, due to the incorporation of the special button, appeared to have its own mechanism; and thus the user was confused

(Can anybody tell that I've been re-reading The Design of Everyday Things recently? )

[Drewster]

As long as you don't fall asleep halfway through the grand prix

1/2 way...... I fall asleep after about 1 lap....... I just don't get F1...

Drewster - set yoiur watch back 1000 years.

My right wrist is now very sore and my fingers are blistered..........








how can I wind my watch back now!

[Zippy]

Drewster - set yoiur watch back 1000 years.

[Sysman]

Don't forget to switch to British Summer Time tonight, i.e. to wind your chronographs forward at 01.00 a.m. tomorrow (Sunday) morning, for UK subjects that are currently at GMT + 0.

I think that here it goes forward at 2. Otherwise the pubs would have to shut an hour earlier