Reply to: Are my views racist?

[xoggoth]

But he does say a few generations ago when migrants had to be useful people or starve. People may have a right to the chance to achieve but not at the expense of others. It is the welfare state that makes a difference.

I repeat, the uncomfortable realities about welfare use, poor health and crime with regards to some migrant/minority groups are not BNP inventions, they are to be found in the government stats, hospital studies and surveys by reputable organisations. British people, including the successful migrants, have every right to resent it.

[Andy2]

IMO, you don't sound racist, you sound more like "I'm alright Jack, screw you lot!".

Your family got a new start, and through hard work(I assume) managed to make something for themselves and their future generations. You seem to be advocating the denial of that opportunity to others.

My 2p worth.

WHS

[Churchill]

As a descendent of economic migrants a few generations ago myself I am mindful of the expression 'there but for the grace of God', but after seeing George Osborne's speech last night concerning tough times ahead following on from the Panorama program this week explaining how the chain of illegal immigration is being pushed back into Africa with the connivance of Libya, I put forward my view that the last thing this country needs with 3 million and rising unemployed is to host yet more ill educated, unqualified economic migrants when we have our own home-grown talent(less) pool to consider. The kids around the breakfast table this morning all declared me to be right-wing racist and sent me to work with a flea in my ear, so what do you lot reckon?

1. does this view make me sound like a racist?
2. is stopping the influx a good or bad thing for our economy?

IMO, you don't sound racist, you sound more like "I'm alright Jack, screw you lot!".

Your family got a new start, and through hard work(I assume) managed to make something for themselves and their future generations. You seem to be advocating the denial of that opportunity to others.

My 2p worth.

[d000hg]

That's because most on CUK are too intelligent to be racist.
I mean you'd have to be incredibly stupid to judge someone solely by skin colour.

But race isn't just skin colour, in peoples' perceptions anyway. Racists attribute generalisations to different races (effectively genetic traits) such as intelligence or laziness. And then layer cultural stereotyping on top... garlic-smelling French, unhygienic Indians, etc. To be a racist you need to have a picture in your head what being black/Indian/Chinese/etc represents so you know what you're hating.

I don't think intelligence stops racism, other than the low-level chavs-targetting-Indian-restuarant kind, which is less racism and more the fact that the chavs target anyone different.

[TimberWolf]

Unless you're watching a boxing match.

any sporting event other than swimming

[Churchill]

Unless you're watching a boxing match.

In black and white.

[rsingh]

10 pages, and no actually offensive racism so far. I'm disappointed, the thread would have been much more fun to read if Cyberman were still around.

This would never have happened under the Tories...

[gingerjedi]

I mean you'd have to be incredibly stupid to judge someone solely by skin colour.

Unless you're watching a boxing match.

[sasguru]

10 pages, and no actually offensive racism so far. I'm disappointed, the thread would have been much more fun to read if Cyberman were still around.

That's because most on CUK are too intelligent to be racist.
I mean you'd have to be incredibly stupid to judge someone solely by skin colour.

[sasguru]

You have some research from a respected sephologist to support this of course - I mean it's not just your own "it's obvious" "logic" is it?

The reason I ask is that I'm sure I remember reading somewhere a piece of politcal analysis that suggested significant support for Thatcher came from the poor but aspirant "lower classes"

No I don't have any evidence except for anecdotal.
As for your second point - yes the poor but aspirant lower classes did vote for Thatcher because she let them buy their council houses on the cheap.
That particular bone is now well chewed, so they'll vote for whoever gives them the most now.

[d000hg]

10 pages, and no actually offensive racism so far. I'm disappointed, the thread would have been much more fun to read if Cyberman were still around.

[d000hg]

The reason muslims don’t celebrate christmas is because the relgion forbids it. Then again, how many christians actually celebrate Eid or diwali? In fact, how many christians celebrate christmas by going to chruch?

The ones who are actually Christians tend to. The ones who think being born in England makes them nominally christian obviously don't give a damn, it's just a chance to drink and argue with the in-laws

[sweetandsour]

1) Travel to East Ham High Street and count the number of mosques for ONE road and then read the council's own literature on the grants its issued.

25% of the population in that area are Muslim so what do you expect them to do? Hide their religion so as not to offend anyone else?

Voting patterns are not based on ethnicity but class. I would guess well-off people of whatever race will vote for the party of low taxes, small government, family values, good schools etc (traditionally the Tories).
Thatcher was well aware of this fact and went out of her way to cultivate the Asian vote.

I'm guessing Newham etc is Labour but then it probably was back in the 19th century when there were no immigrants.

Apart from the fact that in the 19th Century the London Borough of Newham was Essex countryside and the Labour Party hadn't been formed, I agree.

The East End of London has always been a first stop for new arrivals in the country while they establish themselves and then move on but before they do they will suffer the sort of economic disadvantages that make people vote Labour.

Having said that, if you read the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye regularly you can get the impression that the traditional British approach to politics no longer goes on in these areas and has been replaced with a feudal approach from the sub-continent.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Rant is right - short on heat , low on light.

Voting patterns are not based on ethnicity but class. .

You have some research from a respected sephologist to support this of course - I mean it's not just your own "it's obvious" "logic" is it? The reason I ask is that I'm sure I remember reading somewhere a piece of politcal analysis that suggested significant support for Thatcher came from the poor but aspirant "lower classes"

[orac]

Christmas

The reason we celebrate Christmas it is part of OUR heritage. We are not a Muslim or any other type of country.

The Siege of Vienna 1529 and subsequent Battle of Vienna 1683 kept the Muslims out of western Europe.

In France you have to speak French and look French. The Italians are starting to get tough on foreigners. The Germans .... enough said .